Tremolo through stem is placed too close to the note head
When I add tremolo to 8th notes or smaller, the tremolo appears next to the note head as opposed to next to the beam where it should be. It seems to be mostly a problem with notes shorter than a quarter, although the tremolo also follows the note head when I move a quarter or half note away from the staff (i.e. when the stem gets longer than usual).
It would also be great if the tremolo were parallel with the beam rather than always slanted at the same angle.
Works fine on quarter notes when the stem is normal length, but not when longer:
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I've always seen tremolos on a single note slanted at the same angle. I agree, placement is often very bad.
In reply to I've always seen tremolos on… by mike320
On single notes yes, but I mean on beamed notes like this they could be flat or slanted the other way:
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I completely agree. I wished they would have implemented this by now. It's very ugly the way they have it.
In reply to I completely agree. I wished… by R. Boudreau
I wish you would've upgraded to the current version (3.6.2, that's been released for over a year now) in which the issue as posted by the topic started is no longer present.
Though the adjustable slant isn't implemented, the collisions with ledger lines no longer happens.
In reply to I wish you would've upgraded… by jeetee
I'm glad that has been partially fixed (I forgot I had even posted this 😆), but the underlying issue is that tremolo on beamed notes should always be placed directly next to the beam. Compare this measure from Sibelius' string quartet to the behavior in MuseScore 3.6.2.
In reply to I'm glad that has been… by Beanzo
Exactly
In reply to Exactly by R. Boudreau
I just now tried it in my nightly build for MuseScore 4:
![tremolo.PNG]( "tremolo.PNG")
Sit tight for the new version. It will arrive.
In reply to I just now tried it in my… by Jm6stringer
They are still the same fixed angle. We are waiting for tremolos that stay parallel to the beam.
In reply to They are still the same… by R. Boudreau
That's not standard notation, but apparently at least one publisher does this. Feel free to submit a Suggestion for an optional feature to produce that particular style of notation in the future. We do support other non-standard notations where there is clear precedent for it, so this could certainly be considered as well. best to include links to published examples, and ideally, any style guides you can find that explain rules to optionally follow in implementing this style (eg, only for beam angle of less than X% or whatever).
In reply to That's not standard notation… by Marc Sabatella
we're using the SMuFL glyphs for these tremolos, ones that use the beam's slant don't exist, so this won't be possible without resorting to line primitives instead
In reply to we're usi the SMuFL glyphs… by Jojo-Schmitz
Indeed, which is more work and needs to be tied into the beam code. Which is why it would be especially important if the people who wish to see this implemented can open a Suggestion and most importantly, include links to resources that demonstrate and explain this style. The more evidence there is that it is more than just an occasional thing found in a handful of 19th century manuscripts, but is an notation choice still used by professional editors today, the more the likelihood of some other less-common feature being put off for a while in order to implement this one instead.
In reply to Indeed, which is more work… by Marc Sabatella
Elaine Gould in "Behind Bars" disagrees with the tremolo stroke following the beam angle. On p.223 the relevant passage reads:
ANGLE OF STROKES
Tremolo strokes slant diagonally from bottom left to top right, regardless of the stem direction or beam angle.
In reply to Elaine Gould in "Behind Bars… by DanielR
Interesting, I can’t say I’ve ever seen it that way, though I could be mistaken. Henle, Bärenreiter, Simrock, and Durand editions would seem to agree with the parallel tremolo and beams, for some modern and historical examples.
In reply to Interesting, I can’t say I… by Beanzo
Durand was mostly where I encountered it.
In reply to Elaine Gould in "Behind Bars… by DanielR
Found a few more examples; still have yet to find a single publisher who doesn't place them parallel to the beam.
In reply to Found some more examples,… by Beanzo
Since Gould recommends the fixed angle, presumably Faber does it that way. And it's what I'm accustomed to as well, although I can't cite any specific example. Probably because it's not that common of a notation to begin with - many editors simply show the rhythms in full in cases like this, using the tremolo marking only for quarter notes and longer.
Anyhow, that's more than evidence that it is more than a "one off", so definitely file the official Suggestion and include these links so it can be considered as an option for a future release.
In reply to Found some more examples,… by Beanzo
I can’t figure out how to link it, but the most recent example I encountered was in a Raymond Deiss score from 1939, (Poulenc’s Organ concerto in g minor).
In reply to we're usi the SMuFL glyphs… by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, I thought so.
In reply to Yes, I thought so. by R. Boudreau
Link for the Poulenc organ concerto:
https://imslp.org/wiki/Organ_Concerto%2C_FP_93_(Poulenc%2C_Francis)
Tremolo examples on page 5 of the score.