MuseScore 4 Bb Trumpet Sound
I don't know if it's just me, but the Bb trumpet sounds so MUCH more different than an actual trumpet. Is that just me???
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I don't know if it's just me, but the Bb trumpet sounds so MUCH more different than an actual trumpet. Is that just me???
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To the solo trumpet sound is very sloppy to me. As are many of the solo sounds. That's how it is for now.
Are you using the MS Basic soundfont (in which case indeed it's not very good), or Muse Sounds (which sounds incredibly realistic)?
In reply to Are you using the MS Basic… by Marc Sabatella
I am using Muse Sounds and everything sound REALLY realistic except for the trumpet. I know what a trumpet sounds like and the Muse Sound for it does not sound right.
In reply to I am using Muse Sounds and… by sophiayin101
I suspect it’s more style difference - jazz vs classical vs marching band vs rock vs salsa etc. Muse Sounds is based on the expected sound in a symphony orchestra. The trumpet duet in the opening of my piece here sounds virtually identical to the live performance:
https://musescore.com/user/2975/scores/8880078
In reply to I suspect it’s more style… by Marc Sabatella
Marc,
![trumpet.png]( "trumpet.png")
Please take moment and enter these few measures in your system. At 45 bpm.
Then tell me if you like the little scoops and divots. Especially up to the F near the end. I would have been fired if I had played this line that way. I'm having trouble thinking of any style this fits. Maybe mariachi, come to think of it.
In reply to Marc, Please take moment and… by bobjp
Not sure what you mean by scoops and divots. Sounds like a trumpet to me. I do hear a bit of unevenness in volume if I turn the tempo up more. Unevenness in volume is indeed something still being worked on, but even so, it unquestionably sounds like a trumpet, and far more realistic than any soundfont ever possibly could.
In reply to Not sure what you mean by… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks for trying that little bit of music. I take it you heard the almost grace note up to the F. It happens other times, but not as bad. This is part of a piece I wrote. That is the tempo I wrote. It is part of a very solemn solo. Almost a "Taps" kind of feel. The trumpet indeed sounds like a trumpet. The playback style is...not at all correct in this instance. I write a lot of chorale style music. Many of the solo sounds have the same affliction. But you are of course free to believe that this is the most realistic trumpet sound ever. But speaking as a trumpet player, I am also free to have my doubts.
Don't get me wrong. I am a staunch supporter of MS4. I have been relentless posting about how people might be able to get playback to work on their systems. Because, in general it is much better. But it also has many problems that i know will eventually get worked out.
In reply to Thanks for trying that… by bobjp
I don't hear a grace note, no. Could be dependent on other variables I can't tell from a picture, like the mixer settings, key signature, what other instruments are playing, etc.
Anyhow, I don't know about most realistic ever, but it's clearly light years ahead of the MuseScore 3 default or really anything else you could reasonably have achieved with MuseScore 3. So when someone suggests that it sounds like less like a trumped than some soundfont or other, it does make me wonder what specific examples they are hearing to lead them to say that, and if there is perhaps something else going on to confuse the issue.
In reply to I don't hear a grace note,… by Marc Sabatella
Here is a score. Nothing else going on. No special settings. Nothing to confuse the issue.
Measure 4. Some kind of artifact between C down to A and back up to C.
Measure 5. Even worse up to the F.
Measure 6. Same thing between the eight notes and int the next measure.
Measures 12+13. Same as 4 and 5. Seems worse a this volume.
In reply to Here is a score. Nothing… by bobjp
I'm listening through headphones, and I do hear a very slight subtle scoop into the high F. Nothing else seems at all off to me. But feel free to submit this to GitHub, and if the people who develop the sounds hear a problem, they can investigate and fix it.
Anyhow, a very slight subtle scoop into one note that maybe a professional trumpet played wouldn't do is a far different thing from "sounds so MUCH more different than an actual trumpet". This sounds 10,000 times more realistic than the mechanical kazoo that passed for a trumpet in MuseScore 3 and indeed in virtually all soundfonts.
In reply to I'm listening through… by Marc Sabatella
Well, you are certainly correct about the MS3 trumpet. I guess what would help the MS4 trumpet would be a little vibrato. The sound is so unmusically straight that maybe that's why things like the slop up to the F bother me. As far as "10,000 times more realistic than....virtually all soundfonts" goes? I just might post audio examples two playing my example, that are better. Along with MS4's trumpet. Probably not worth it.
In reply to Here is a score. Nothing… by bobjp
Hobbyist trumpet player and MS user here, but I do hear right off what bobjp is saying.
I'd add some of the attacks of some notes at the same dynamic level seem - different.
I 'note' this trumpet sound is also pitch limited to IIRC concert C6.
I think the trumpet's not only a difficult instrument to play, but to synthesize and re-create as well.
That said, MuseScore and the new sounds are simply amazing - how far things have come from my TRS-80's mod1 Dancing Demon. Bravo, such a wonderful tool & ecosystem.
In reply to Not sure what you mean by… by Marc Sabatella
A scoop involves half-valving from a low note to a higher one on a trumpet. A "doit" is what I also sometimes play on my trumpet. A divot is what I cause when I am a bit heavy-handed at golf. I certainly still have a lot to learn about both disciplines.