how to manage corrections [beginner]
Hello,
When I start writing notes, for instant quarter notes, but want to change one of them into an eight, musescore will automatically add a semi-silence to fulfill the bar. Even worse, If I change a quarter into a half note, muescore will erase the quarter to the right. Is there a setting that could prevent these corrections ? I would like musescore to "push" the notes to the right if needed (longer note) or to the left (shorter note).
Is that something that can be done ?
Otherwise, how to easily correct from there ?
Comments
Not so simple.
You can copy the notes that follow and paste them back in after changing the quarter note to an eighth or half note, for example.
All notes until the end!
In reply to Not so simple. You can copy… by HildeK
thank you for this tip. I think there should be something easier though, as in writing letters on a computer I won't erase anything or add blank spaces if I change a word into a longer or shorter one.
In reply to thank you for this tip. I… by hugoborrell
Yes, but your wish then changes the entire score. That's problematic, for example with a triplet and also with other things.
Why do you need that? You only need it very rarely and then you can get by with copy & paste.
In reply to Yes, but your wish then… by HildeK
Maybe I'm not doing this correctly, but since I started I tend to do that all the time : I can easily figure out what are the notes of a melody, but rhythm is much more difficult at my level, so I test many possibilities of note lengths before I get to what I want. I guess more advanced musicians don't have that sort of issue.
In reply to Maybe I'm not doing this… by hugoborrell
There's a good plugin for that. But it's only available for V3 (it hasn't yet been ported to V4):
https://musescore.org/en/project/duration-editor
See this example:
In reply to There's a good plugin for… by cadiz1
seems nice though I'm still on musescore 2.1 and I'm not sure how to upgrade to V3 on my linux PC, I'll check that, thanks !
In reply to seems nice though I'm still… by hugoborrell
"how to upgrade to V3 on my linux PC"
Here (format AppImage for you): https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/releases/tag/v3.6.2
(if the download links don't appear immediately, click on "Assets".)
In reply to Here (format AppImage for… by cadiz1
Thanks, trouble is that I'm on a i686 32 bits so appimage is not working :-(
Trying to figure out how to use backports with linux mint...
In reply to Thanks, trouble is that I'm… by hugoborrell
No sure, but try the version Portable ? Same link above, with extension: .paf.exe
In reply to And the version Portable … by cadiz1
That is for Windows
In reply to That for Windows by Jojo-Schmitz
Ah, I had a doubt about that, confirmed then. Thanks.
Hello! I agree with your preference of having insert mode instead of overwrite mode, and ideally this should be made just as easy to shift between the two as it is in word processors. There are a few notation programs that have insert mode, Igor Engraver is one of them.
In reply to Hello! I agree with your… by Magnus Johansson
Much better known: Guitar Pro, too.
In reply to Hello! I agree with your… by Magnus Johansson
Absolutely : I can't think of any writing tool that would overwrite by default !
In reply to Absolutely : I can't think… by hugoborrell
In the following video is shown how Igor Engraver handles a melody where a quarter note is changed to a half note. For a short moment the bar is overfull but this is corrected when the cursor is moved into the next bar.
This is a very common and longstanding request.
Extremely difficult to implement in musescore though due to internal memory model that was choosen to represent your score in C++
In reply to This is a very common and… by frfancha
OK, interesting. Thanks for the information. Is this a limitation on the part of C++ itself?
In reply to OK, interesting. Thanks for… by Magnus Johansson
No, sure not.
Also MuseScore does have an insert mode...
In reply to No, sure not. Also MuseScore… by Jojo-Schmitz
OK.
But MuseScore Studio's insert mode changes the time in the bar where it is used.
In reply to OK. But MuseScore Studio's… by Magnus Johansson
Yes.
In reply to No, sure not. Also MuseScore… by Jojo-Schmitz
But the insert mode does not help here.
It wants to convert a half note into a quarter note or vice versa. This should not create a pause or overwrite a note, but simply move the following notes.
The insert mode always adds notes ...
In reply to But the insert mode does not… by HildeK
It does, it is however restricted to the current measure it doesn't move notes across measure boundaries AKA barlines
In reply to It does, it is however… by Jojo-Schmitz
For example, you cannot convert a quarter note into an eighth note and move the rest of the measure (or piece of music) up by an eighth note. You can only add an additional eighth note that extends the measure.
In reply to For example, you cannot… by HildeK
convert a quarter note into an eighth note and move the rest of the measure...up by an eighth note?
Why would you want the rest of the measure to mobve up in that case rather than down?
And yes, (MuseScore's) insert mode does not move it up/down the score, just the current measure
In reply to convert a quarter note into… by Jojo-Schmitz
"Move up" in the sense of move left. Sorry, I'm no native speaker.
But that is exactly what the TO wants ...
In reply to "Move up" in the sense of… by HildeK
Ctrl+Del the new rest and you're there
In reply to OK, interesting. Thanks for… by Magnus Johansson
Yes, because data structure is saved by measure, so all the memory would need to change any time you add or remove a note in a true multimeasure insert mode.
That design also explain why tuplet crossing bar is impossible
In reply to Yes, because data structure… by frfancha
That's a matter of code design and data structure, not a matter of the programing language
In reply to That's a matter of code… by Jojo-Schmitz
Indeed the issue is in the code design, not in the fact that C++ is used
In reply to Yes, because data structure… by frfancha
And part of the design is to define what exactly is to happen, e.g. when inserting a quarter into a measure that end with a half note. While zhis direction seemes ease (leave one quarter to the end of the measure, move a quarter accros and tie the 2 notes), what to do in the opposite direction, turn 2 tied quarters (back) into a half note or keep them as tied quarter notes? Any decision here will be wrong in about 50% of the time, because you don't know whether that had been tied on purpose or because they got split by a barline.
Unless you record the 'tie-state' somewhere in a note's property, maybe
In reply to Yes, because data structure… by frfancha
For tuplets you'd need to split one note of the tuplet or change the actual duration of both measures, the latter doesn't work when there are other staves, the former doesn't work when that split results in fragments that are too short or too odd to be represented with any of the durations that are supported
Just don't fight the program, get the rhythm right first ;-)