Time/Key Signatures are placed outside of the measure
Reported version
3.0
Type
Development
Frequency
Many
Severity
S3 - Major
Reproducibility
Always
Status
by design
Regression
No
Workaround
No
Project
OS: macOS High Sierra (10.13)
Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.0.0.20137
revision: c1a5e4c
When change time or key Signatures in middle of the score where Start repeat has,
they are placed outside of that measures.
I think they should be inside.
(They are placed inside in ver 2.3)
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Comments
Here is an excerpt from Elaine Gould's book Behind Bars (pg. 234).
![Gould234.jpg]( "Gould234.jpg")
The current behavior is correct, according to Gould.
In reply to Here is an excerpt from… by mattmcclinch
Hello Mattmcclinch
Oh, I didin’t know that.. interesting.
so current behavior is correct.
Thank you very much :)
In reply to Hello Mattmcclinch Oh, I… by kazuma yamamoto
I don't think the style of that in MuseScore2 is uncorrect. MuseScore2 is also correct. We should be able to choose each style about the placement of Time/Key Signature. This change is not good.
In reply to I don't think the style of… by HashibosoP
@SgeyosP
+1
In reply to @SgeyosP +1 by mike320
Thanks for reply. But I'm sad because there is only 1 reply. It's very few. I think the developer team of MuseScore3 has no idea about this problem. So they will not try any improvements about this...
I found some real examples about the style of repeat. I want to say to the developer "Please see real example, and think how engravers did."
![Repeat1.PNG]( "Repeat1.PNG")
![Repeat2.PNG]( "Repeat2.PNG")
![Repeat3.png]()
![Repeat4.png]( "Repeat4.png")
![Repeat5.png]( "Repeat5.png")
![Repeat6.png]( "Repeat6.png")
Indeed Repeat4.png shows the style of repeat in MuseScore3 is correct.
But others shows the style in MuseScore2 is also CORRECT.
See every edition. Repeat1,2,4,5,6.png from IMSLP Repeat3.png from Wiener Urtext Editon.
In reply to Thanks reply. But I'm sad… by HashibosoP
You can find the examples from IMLSP
https://imslp.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_No.32%2C_Op.111_(Beethoven%2C_Ludwi…
In reply to You can find real example… by HashibosoP
Another case from Burgmüller, 25 Études faciles et progressives, Op.100.
https://imslp.org/wiki/25_%C3%89tudes_faciles_et_progressives%2C_Op.100…
![Behind Barsは主流ではない.png]()
This shows all publishers did not follow Behind Bars.
This also shows the repeat style of MuseScore 2 is traditionally correct.
Regarding one of styles as incorrect is so arrogance to kill the culture and diversity of music notation and engraving.
I think the style of Behind Bars is also correct. But abandoning traditional style is completely wrong change of MuseScore 3.
Better notation software must support more choices.
It is not rules, but It's styles.
MuseScore 3 and its developers always disappoint me.