add solo to the normal(section), pizzicato, tremolo options

• Aug 6, 2016 - 05:22

Pretty much what the title says. Also, add options for clarinets to switch to Eb, A/Bb, or Bass, flutes to piccolos, oboes to English horns, bassoons to Contras. With transposition changes at that point in the score.

And not with the instrument change text either - that makes your mixer/instument list really huge really fast.


Not sure how you'd want to accomplish the change without something to indicate the change - how would MuseScore or a human musician know when you wanted the switch to happen?

Easy, the same way you indicate a pizzicato or non rhythmic tremolo. Staff text, write the word, properties, switch to the appropriate voice + channel.

For the others, typing a simple ' to bass clarinet' or whatever is equally simple. This happens quite often in scores - second flute doubles piccolo, second oboe doubles English horn. Those are seperate staff instruments only in very large orchestras.

In reply to by Laurelin

Well, yes, that's still adding a text. Are you just wishing the you didn't have separate control over the volume? Simlification of the mxier is something being discussed, but aside from that, I don't see the need for any new feature to make the changes.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

No. String instruments are set up to switch between normal strings, pizzicato, and tremolo. I wanted to modify it so that instead of three, there are four options per string instrument - solo, section, pizzicato and tremolo.

I also wanted to have two options for flute(flute/picc), oboe(oboe/english horn), clarinet(clarinet/Bass Clarinet)

That's adding more mixer controls, but controlling the number that are spawned - If I switch to piccolo twice in a score, I spawn two extra picc instruments and two flute.

Eliminating seperate mixers for all these things would be a really bad idea for playback. Pizzicato are universally too loud, tutti strings are too soft, solo strings are too loud. And they're all differently balanced with the other orchestral instruments.

One thing that maybe shouldn't be here is the clarinet, as most don't have a bass clarinet sf to manage. Clarinet also might need a generally bigger work around, as I've played pieces where I literally had 4 different clarinets I needed to switch between, and the general midi doesn't have a bass clarinet sf, even if I do. That transposition thing would also be useful with horns/trumpets, especially if one is transcribing an older score, as they have a lot of different versions as well. Flute/alto flute switches would be covered, too. None of those need a seperate mixer, except bass clarinet, as it is very much louder than a regular clarinet.

And while I'm at it, piccolo is not written with a special treble clef, the instrument is transposing. DItto for Contrabass/double bass. Although I hope that would be covered elsewhere, again.

In reply to by Laurelin

I think the solution is to get #42301: Instrument Changes: add ability to change back to a previous instrument fixed, and then you can control everything yourself. The problem with starting out with more channels for all these instruments—one for every "instrument likely to be changed to"—is that many people would never want to use them, and be forced to deal with a very unwieldy Mixer for no gain. Allowing the user to easily add these channels as needed on a case-by-case basis is what instrument change text is designed for—it just has this one flaw that it doesn't allow you to switch back to a previous channel. But if that was fixed, the whole thing would be pretty much perfect, for your needs and the general users', right?

Regarding the entirely separate question of clefs, it could go either way; if you prefer the clef without the eight, then drag your preferred clef onto the first measure, right-click the staff and choose "Staff Properties...", and right at the bottom of the dialog set the transposition to 1 octave up or down.

In reply to by Isaac Weiss

Oh I know how to change the clef/transposition, it's just so badly wrong that I feel like I should submit a bug report. 20 years of playing/score staring, I have never seen a piccolo or contrabass part with a octave clef. Or a bass clarinet part with an octave clef. That's not 'could go', that.'s just wrong.

And it matters, very badly, when you use change instrument - I can't just change the transposition in the middle of the score, after all.

Anyway, the node you linked. That would be awesome. All for that.

In reply to by Laurelin

As of the next major release, changing transposition mid-score *does* work, autoamtically, when you change instruments. And of course you can change clef whenever you like.

So again, it seems to me the only thing you are missing is the ability to simplify the mixer - everything else is already there. better than using the mechanism you were wanting to use, in fact, because that would *not* affect transposition.

In reply to by Isaac Weiss

My thoughts are that the solo is something that should be a channel. The instrument changes though seem easier to do with the instrument text not a channel. Being able to add and edit channels yourself would also be convenient. I really need to say, I have over twenty different mixer entries in the mixer on my violins. 20 entries for one instrument.I only need six: section arco, section pizzicato, tremolo, solo Arco, solo pizzicato, and section col legno(actually shamisen). The reason for having twenty is that every time I switch to solo it creates three more mixer entries. Then it makes more when I switch 🔙. This is very annoying and I wish I could fix it.

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