Staff Text Disappearance
The following is all about disappearing Staff Text when using the Hide Empty Staves feature of MS. MS does not seem to recognize that a staff is not really empty when there is Staff Text that has been created by clicking on a measure in that empty- of -music- notes staff, then " add text/staff text". I did not know this when I did 300+ pages of score and then found that if I use H.E.S. feature, the text disappears as well as the actual staff. Is this not a bug??? Is there some way to command MS to hide empty staves but not the text that goes with them??????????????
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Hmm, looks like a bug to me.
Same for chord symbols, rehearsal marks, breath marks and probably much more. Seems it got to be notes and notes only that trigger the staff to remain visible when using Hide empty staves.
It seems though that in the nightly builds this works more or less as expected, so that bug might have been fixed meanwhile
In reply to Hmm, looks like a bug to by Jojo-Schmitz
I wouldn't say it was a bug exactly - it was probably designed from the beginning to work that way. But indeed, I think most people prefer text to stay, so we did change this for the next major release of MuseScore (which probably won't be ready for quite some time, so I wouldn't wait for this before continuing your work).
In reply to I wouldn't say it was a bug by Marc Sabatella
So that change did not make it into 2.0.4? Hmm, maybe it shouldn't, as that would change the layout of score
In reply to So that change did not make by Jojo-Schmitz
Ye. I think I half-heartedly argued for including this fix in 2.0.3, on the theory that probably no one *really* likes the current behavior, but it *would* represent a change, and we're trying to minimize the visible changes between 2.0.2 and 2.0.3. I guess if we do end up calling the next minor release 2.1 instead of 2.0.4 and allow some other more significant changes, we could revisit this - at least it doesn't actually break compatibility in any way. It just means scores that rely on the 2.0.3 behavior won't look correct in 2.0.4 and vice versa.
For the record, here is the discussion on the possibility of merging into the 2.0.3 branch:
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/2311
In reply to Ye. I think I half-heartedly by Marc Sabatella
OK, and #44956: Empty bars with text not visible when hiding empty staves reveals that this hasn't been cherry-picked for the 2.0.4 branch (yet)
In reply to Ye. I think I half-heartedly by Marc Sabatella
I usually do not understand highly technical discussions.
In reply to Ye. I think I half-heartedly by Marc Sabatella
Revisiting that would be a good idea, I would think. Needless to say, in a Musical or Opera, there can be a lot of text .
In reply to Revisiting that would be a by delhud2
For a lot of text better use a frame. Staff text has a different purpose: short technical hints to the musicians, and that's what it is designed for and does reasonably well. Similar for system text, only for all musicians on one go
In reply to I wouldn't say it was a bug by Marc Sabatella
OK,i do not want to wait will continue. i found that I can copy the staff text into System text and have that remain in Hide Empty Staves, and then drag it to where I want it.
In reply to OK,i do not want to wait will by delhud2
Which is pretty likely to break the next time round (esp. the 'drag where I need it' part. Why not simply using a text frame (new in 2.0)?
In reply to Which is pretty likely to by Jojo-Schmitz
Because I do NOT find it fun to have to retype the text in a new frame?! I want to copy/paste from whether 1.3 or the full 2.0.3 score Without H.E.S.
In reply to Because I do NOT find it fun by delhud2
Copy from (1.3) staff text and paste into (2.0) system text is what you do, right?
But copy from staff text and past into text frame is too much?
A text frame won't vanish with 'Hide empty staves', and would automatically have as much space vertically as needed. You'd still need to do the linefeeds manually though
In reply to Because I do NOT find it fun by delhud2
maybe I did not understand-- you do mean Copy/paste into a new frame?
In reply to maybe I did not understand-- by delhud2
Copy the staff text and paste into a text frame (or a horizontal or vertical frame), yes. Very simple IMHO. And much less likely to ever break
In reply to Copy the staff text and paste by Jojo-Schmitz
Well, I already did go back to the 1.3 file and copied and pasted the text into a the Frame that was already in 2.0.3! (From 1.;3) It was buggy , Just one line of text appears and trails off to the right on the next page and disappears. I tried tha operations of Ctr + R etc. but it did not fix it.
In reply to Well, I already did go back by delhud2
Unfortunately, different operating systems handle line breaks differently when copying and pasting between different programs - and 1.3 and 2.0 are different programs. If copying and pasting directly between 1.3 and 2.0 loses the line breaks, you might try first copying into Notepad or some other program to see if it keeps the line breaks, then copying from there. This kind of stuff is mostly out of MuseScore's control.
In general, copying and pasting multi-line text from 1.3 to 2.0 *should* work, but I also find it doesn't for me. Testing with Notepad, it seems that it is 1.3 that is at fault here - the line breaks are lost when copying from 1.3 whether pasting into Notepad or into MuseScore 2. Whereas if I copy *from* MuseScore , it works copying into Notepad. Thus, it seems that here again, 2.0 has improved upon 1.3, but unfortunately that doesn't really help if you've already entered text into 1.3.
Still, you might use Notepad to massage the text, adding the necessary line breaks there, then copying from Notepad to MuseScore 2.
In reply to Which is pretty likely to by Jojo-Schmitz
Creating a new frame will change the layout of the entire file will it not?
In reply to Creating a new frame will by delhud2
Probably. But for the better
In reply to Hmm, looks like a bug to by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, A lot of stuff to lose in Hide Empty Staves And that feautre is what's great for printing and showing to a Conductor and people to read/follow.
In reply to Yes, A lot of stuff to lose by delhud2
FWIW, unless some conductor has specifically asked for a condensed score, don't assume that is what they want. Most conductors work from full scores, not condensed ones - it's much easier to follow which instrument is which. Condensed scores are normally used only for publishing in collections for study (and usually in small print editions), not for actual use.
As for how text works with "Hide empty staves", it's important to realize there are other reasons people use that feature, and for some of those other use cases, you would *want* the staff & text to disappear. One such example: creating a dummy staff to attach annotations to - text you use to make notes to yourself or other people with whom you are sharing the MSCZ file with but don't intend to actually show up on the printed score.