Music Composing

• Feb 23, 2017 - 03:56

For composing a musical piece, is a Laptop and musescore not enough?

What are the uses of DAW, synthesizer, softwares like FLstudio etc.?

Often used to see instrument clusters with lot of buttons as in picture attached. Are they really needed to produce music?

Music Instruments.jpg


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First off, there is a big difference between composing a musical piece and producing music.
Since MuseScore is a notation program, a laptop should handle any musical ideas you care to write down. If, however, you desire a 'live-sounding' playback as an end in itself, you won't get it over laptop speakers. Also, you will need something beyond the standard soundfonts supplied with MuseScore. See:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/soundfont

Also...
Here's a post from a MuseScorer who happens to be both composer and producer:
https://musescore.org/en/node/90671
and, for a video score produced with MuseScore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojqk3EhlWv4

I urge you to read through some of Mr. Schaffter's other forum posts, to learn of his struggle to enhance MuseScore's playback capabilities:
https://musescore.org/en/user/47588
especially:
https://musescore.org/en/node/123946

So...
Basically, MuseScore can notate scores - e.g. from a solo lead sheet all the way up to a full symphony; but if you absolutely need realistic playback as a feedback mechanism to help you compose, then you'll need to go outside of MuseScore's default playback abilities.
That's where DAWs and recording studio software can come in handy - i.e. to produce a polished 'recording' of the musical piece (outside of MuseScore).

Regards.

In reply to by Jm6stringer

A number of DAWs can export MusicXML including Logic and Digital Performer. This lets you compose in a sequencer and export notes, better edited in a notation program.

A few DAWs including the latest version of Logic Pro X 10.3 can now import MusicXML for those of us who prefer to compose in a notation program, then use VIs and audio to enhance our scores. It's not as good as anyone would like but it does work. If it saves time, that's what counts.

MuseScore's implementation of MusicXML isn't as good as some of the commercial apps, especially Finale and Sibeluis, but it isn't as bad as others.

MuseScore lets you put notes on a virtual piece of music-paper and then to play it back to hear how it (might) sound.   The primary target for its work-product is a human player who will read your score and play it.

You can accomplish a lot of what the person with his workstation-keyboard is doing by attaching a MIDI keyboard to your computer and using it to enter notes ... into MuseScore, and/or into a DAW.   (I snapped up a lovely 88-key controller in the used-equipment bin at a local music store.   It has almost no features or geegaws, but it has ... eighty-eight expressive keys.)

The “very large mixing panels” you see are used for audio production.   A DAW program – I use Logic Pro X – can effectively replicate these features.

I normally write music in MuseScore, then move it to Logic to produce a final version that is mixed the way I want it to.   But I have also created music entirely in MuseScore and it really does sound good.   The software synthesizer that MuseScore uses is no slouch.

Although Logic Pro also has a “score view,” its focus is on audio.   Similarly, MuseScore’s focus is on notation.   Each product excels at what it is engineered to do best, and is comparatively not-so good at the rest of it.   But, I think that this is a very understandable compromise in both cases.   MuseScore can notate anything, even if it can’t meaningfully “play it back.”   Logic can turn out a lead-sheet in nothing flat, but it can’t do all the notation that MuseScore does.

In reply to by mrobinson

"You can accomplish a lot of what the person with his workstation-keyboard is doing by attaching a MIDI keyboard to your computer and using it to enter notes ... into MuseScore, and/or into a DAW"

Does that imply that whatever key that I press in the keyboard, the notes will automatically be entered in musescore or DAW?

Normally, I thought as manually entering the notes in Musescore is the only way to upload the notes online.....

MuseScore allows notes to be entered by pressing keys on a MIDI keyboard, but this is simply “another way to enter notes one at a time.”

MuseScore makes no attempt to let you “play something and expect MuseScore to figure out what you are doing.”   It is notation software, not performance-capture software.   The documentation has this to say:

The MIDI keyboard enters one note or chord at a time.   This mode of note input (often called “step-time entry”) is fast and reliable.   Some notation software tries to interpret “real-time entry,” in which the musician plays a passage and the software tries to produce notation.   However, such results are generally unreliable.   MuseScore focuses on more reliable forms of note input.

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(I’m afraid that I have no idea what you’re talking about when you say, “upload the notes online.”)

In reply to by mrobinson

Some notation software tries to interpret “real-time entry,” in which the musician plays a passage and the software tries to produce notation. However, such results are generally unreliable.

Nonsense. I am a terrible keyboard player and have been doing it successfully in Encore and Finale for over 20 years. Fire up a click track and go.

Like any other skill, it takes a bit of practice to get it right.

In reply to by MikeHalloran

Same with entering notes using the computer keyboard. With practice it is easily as efficient as MIDI for most music, much *more* efficient for quite a lot of music as well.

Real-time MIDI input can work well for certain types of music, not so well for other types. It's not about how skilled a keyboard player you are, it's about the inherent complexity of the music - whether it involves much chromaticism, multiple voices, etc. MIDI simply doesn't convey enough information to allow a computer program to correctly notate complex music reliably. But again, for relatively simple music - not too much chromaticism, relatively regular rhythms, only one voice per staff, one staff at a time - then it can indeed be as efficient as typing.

Yes, computer entry can be relatively fast. Not so much in MuseScore but many others. Encore is fairly fast—if you have two working hands and I do not. I did for the first 23 years that I've been using computerized notation but I lost the use of my left arm 8 years ago. When I say that I do this one-handed, I am not kidding.

I have more than a little experience here. You always miss the part where I have been doing this for decades. Deluxe Music Construction Set on my Mac+ was crude but was a lot faster and easier than MuseScore.

So MuseScore doesn't have real time note entry. That's ok—it's free and worth every penny. Your constant line that the lack of this important feature is somehow a good thing is ridiculous and you look foolish every time you say so.

That, combined with the lack of a rests palette makes MuseScore too slow and cumbersome for me. Nothing you say is ever going to change that. All professional notation software has those features. That's ok. I have licenses for many of those programs. A few I use.

That MuseScore is free means nothing to me. I would it to be better which is why I revisit it now and then to see. I'd like to recommend it to students but I can't until it's better.

As for lack of a separate rests palette, spend a day in my world. Do all your note entry with only your right hand. Now imagine how much faster it would be if you could just click on a rest instead of having to change the notes palette first.

In reply to by MikeHalloran

Like I said, keyboard entry in MuseScore is efficient once you get good at it. No surprise you are more efficient at programs you have many years experience with. If you are stll resorting to using the rests palette, you clearly haven't mastered how keyboard input works in MuseScore. You are right that nothing I can say will change that - only you spending necessary time in to learn to use MuseScore will.

I am sure you are right that the default shortcuts work best if you have use of both hands. But MuseScore allows extensive customization of shortcuts. So setting things up to be more accessible with only one hand would be an important first step. There should be no reason to resort to palettes for note input, whether you are using your left hand, right hand, or both.

No one ever said that not having real time MIDI input is "a good thing". Just that for the vast majority of musicians it is a non-issue because other forms of input are usually more efficient anyhow.

In reply to by MikeHalloran

Since no-one mentioned this here yet, (semi-)realtime note entry is already implemented in MuseScore3 by shoogle as part of Google Summer of Code 2016. Here is shoogle's blog entry describing it, including a youtube demo clip.
https://musescore.org/en/user/57401/blog/2016/09/22/gsoc-2016-project-d…

MuseScore3 will be released in the distant future, but can be tried now using the nigtly builds, I think.

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