Recovering rests in voices 2, 3 & 4
When rests are deleted in Voice2, it seems to be impossible to recover them if you want to add more Voice2 notes.
In a chorale or hymn in 4/4 time there are two voices, Soprano and Alto, on the first staff. Mostly the rhythm for these two voices is the same so they can both be written in Voice 1. However, occasionally the parts diverge rhythmically and then the person who wrote them out has put the Alto part into Voice 2. So, for instance, the Soprano line in a certain measure might be 4 quarter notes while the Alto line is "quarter, eighth, eighth, quarter quarter." But only the two eighth notes will be created in the second part. The Voice 2 rests that you would expect on beats 1, 3 & 4 have been deleted (which you can do in voices other than Voice 1)
Now, I don't like this way of writing out the parts and would prefer to have all of the alto part written out in voice two, rather than switching back and forth between Voice 1 and Voice 2; but when I try to change the measure in which there are already two eighth notes in voice two, it seems that I can't create any Voice 2 notes except on the second beat, where the second voice already exists. It seems that the missing rests in Voice 2 of that measure have been deleted and I can't recreate them (except by recreating the complete measure somewhere else and then copying and pasting it into the measure I want to change). I have attached an example.
So my question is, is there any way to recover deleted rests in Voices 2, 3 & 4 once they have been deleted?
Let me say that I am not looking for a work-around for this problem. I have, of course, figured out how to work around this problem, but I would like to figure out how to recover the missing beats in these secondary voices.
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Comments
Select the measure, and go to Edit -> Voices -> Exchange Voice 1- 2. Do it twice. I hope this is good enough and not a workaround... because it's the only way I know :)
That is a great solution. Of course, I still want to know what happened to the Voice 2 bits that disappeared! But your solution at least permits one to get on with the work without having to create temporary measures and doing all that copying and pasting. Thanks.
In reply to Very useful by Jake Sterling
I'd consider it a bug that deleting rests has this effect. But I'd also consider it a bug that you can delete the rests in the first place. Not sure if this is the workaround you had in mind, but for the record and for anyone else in this situation who may be wondering, instead of deleting rests, setting them invisible would be the way to go. That would allow you to still have the alto part have the appearance of existing only for that beats, but you'll still have full access to an interrupted time line.
In reply to I'd consider it a bug that by Marc Sabatella
I think 2.0 makes it easier to reinstate deleted multi-voice rests?
In reply to I'd consider it a bug that by Marc Sabatella
Marc, I completely agree with you about setting rests as invisible rather than deleting them in the secondary voices. Just so you don't think I am a complete moron, I need to say that I didn't write out the original files; so, I get to blame someone else for being a moron in this case and that, of course, makes me feel MUCH better.
In reply to Yes to setting rests as invisible by Jake Sterling
Not to worry - I don't even think there is anything particular dumb trying to create a score that way in the first place. There is really no particular reason anyone should be expected to know up front that deleting rests wouldn't work as well as you might hope. And indeed, this comes up as a question periodically, so I figured it would help to be explicit about it. No doubt, someone some time will have a similar question, do a search, and find this thread. So I wanted to make sure they found all the information they needed.