How to enter nine 32th in a 10-tuplet?

• Feb 8, 2018 - 17:20

I'm afraid tuplets and me won't be friends ;-).

What is the type relation of the 10-tuplet in the image below?

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The relationship is 10:8. When you enter it using the tuplets... menu it will show as five 16th notes since 10:8 will reduce to 5:4.

Edit: I'm leaving my original response since it is correct. Your picture is wrong. It's either missing a note or should read 9 rather than 10.

In reply to by kuwitt

What is "original" is anyone's guess, unless maybe you can find an "urtext" edition. Maybe the composer counted wrong, but it's equally possible the composer's own manuscript didn't include any number at all. Some early editions may have been printed with no number, but at some point, some editor may have decided to add a number but counted wrong, and others have propagated that error. It's also possible the number is right but someone left out a note (maybe there should have been a C# also?)

In reply to by kuwitt

I looked at a piano reduction (#377888) done by Tchaikovsky and it is notated as 2 10-lets. It seems the orchestral mistake was propagated across versions.

tch op 35-1.png

If I were you, I would give this info to shoogle and ask him what he would like you to do with it.

In reply to by mike320

I'm amazed how fast you've found the measure I'm speaking about. Unfortunately the "urtext" isn't upload to imslp for this score (violin concerto op. 35 of Tchaikovsky).
Yes, in some some arrangements for violin and piano, there are notated both tuplets as 10-tuplets, what makes sense.

At least it brings clarity to me that's not my fault of mind ;-).

In reply to by kuwitt

Fortunately it wasn't very far past the cadenza from a couple of day ago. I figured if the complete orchestra versions were in agreement, I would look for piano reductions to see how others handled this error. Since I found one credited to Tchaikovsky, it should have some authority as to the proper interpretation and/or notation of the orchestral version.

The above suggestions are sensible. Using two 10 tuplets looks best to me, unless there is supposed to be a "slowing down" in which case an 11 and a 9 may be appropriate. In the absence of any evidence for a change in pace it is best to make them equal.

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