Horn in C transposition

• Mar 11, 2019 - 15:21

MuseScore 2 user
The Horn in C transposition doesn’t appear to be right. It should be one octave lower than written.
Also, it should be starting on Treble Clef (G Clef) instead of Bass (F).
So unless this changes, the Horn in C is no different than the High C Horn (C alto) besides their ranges.


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In MuseScore 3 too? There won't be any fix for MuseScore 2 anymore

Edfit: yes.

But I I don't think this is a bug. They are both not transposing instruments as far as I can tell

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

From what I've seen, the High C horn is a non transposing instrument and the one called Horn in C is an octave lower. I will say that in scores I have seen, there is no difference in their names and the only way I've been able to tell if I have the correct horn is when the music goes outside of reasonable range for the horn.

I would suggest that this should be the tuning used by MuseScore. Perhaps a horn player like Ziya would have an opinion.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

http://utminers.utep.edu/charlesl/transpose.html

This is probably the most authoritative website I can find, based upon research by Charles Francis Leinberger, PH.D of the University of Texas at El Paso.

In the Horn chart, the transposition for each instrument in the treble clef is listed followed by the modern transposition when a note is written in the bass clef. From experience, I have seen all Horn notes possible are written in the treble clef, with notes that require too many ledger lines being written in the bass clef. "Too many ledger lines" is very subjective and often subject to the context of the note. One factor that affects this is when two horns are notated on the same staff. When the higher horn part is written in treble clef, the lower horn part is written in the treble clef on the same staff also, with very few exceptions. The exceptions I have seen actually show a bass clef before the lower note and a treble clef before the higher note. I have not suggested such a notation be possible in MuseScore.

One other item of note, ledger lines above the staff is almost unheard of for horns in any key with the exception of a few notes that must be written above the treble clef on some horns.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Ah, these are not the modern, but rather the traditional bass clef notations. The bass clef used to be written an octave below the sounding note, so middle C on the bass clef would have been written near the bottom of the bass clef rather then above it. MuseScore does not allow for such split transpositions, so I use an ottava bass clef when writing traditional horn music in bass clef. This prevented the need for ledger lines above the bass clef, but allowed for ledger lines below it. It's a bit disconcerting until you get used to it. I've seen other similar split transpositions in some old Cello music (written in the treble clef) and some Bass Clarinet music also.

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