help! Can't delete measure(s)
i don't know what happened but i can't delete a measure or contiguous measures using select and CTR=DEL; sometimes a small + appeared on top of the emasure. Very fustrating. any suggestions.
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The + means that this measure is longer than the current time signature is mandating
Ctrl+Del may not work if if generated parts already
In reply to The + means that this… by Jojo-Schmitz
u have not generated parts. what to do when Ctr+DEl doesn't work?
In reply to u have not generated parts… by Philip Ellis Foster
sorry, meant I have not generated parts , etc.
In reply to sorry, meant I have not… by Philip Ellis Foster
Share the score, so we can check.
Revert to factory settings in case your shortcuts got screwed up
In reply to Share the score, so we can… by Jojo-Schmitz
i posted it on https://musescore.com/user/22400121/scores/6203266.
i was trying to delete measures 52-59.
I don't know what is factory settings, etc.
In reply to i posted it on https:/… by Philip Ellis Foster
It is under the Help menu
Measure 52 is the one that is longer than 4/4, right? Why?
In reply to It is under the Help menu by Jojo-Schmitz
you asked me to share it; is the post sufficient for that purpose. i hope to hear from someone before tryig factory settings and possibly messing things up.
In reply to Share the score, so we can… by Jojo-Schmitz
i have not heard from you or anyone after this after posting it. i am hesitant to try this.
what happens after i go to factory settings? Does that just restart the musesccore program/ does it eliminate the problem? this is important so please explicate fully.
is there a reason for it not working or some other way to resolve this?
In reply to i have not heard from you or… by Philip Ellis Foster
Did you try @jeetee's proposal below?
In reply to Did you try @jeetee's… by Jojo-Schmitz
his suggestion was for the diacritics, not for deletion problem. yess, i followed it and it solved the problem. it had nothing to do with fonts but with the location in musescore of the disacritic marks.
In reply to his suggestion was for the… by Philip Ellis Foster
i see now he has a suggestion for the deletion problem. i did not see this before. i will invesitage.
In reply to Did you try @jeetee's… by Jojo-Schmitz
i just saw his proposal and will investigate.
Does it work to use the menu instead of the shortcut?
Select the measure, then use
Tools → Remove Selected RangeIf that works, then you may have an issue with your shortcuts. Note that the menu entry shows the currently configured shortcut on the right side of the entry.
In reply to Does it work to use the menu… by jeetee
Thank you for the suggestion.
i just selected and tried Tools >>>Remove selected range; unfortunately it does not work.
What next?
In reply to Thank you for the suggestion… by Philip Ellis Foster
i also tried it on some other measures and it din't work there either so it is not specific to the measures mentioned above.
In reply to Thank you for the suggestion… by Philip Ellis Foster
I had the same problem a few days ago. And I experienced this in new night / beta versions.
Moreover, the area I wanted to delete was the normal measures, following the measures split in half.
I selected the measures I wanted to delete and several times applied Ctrl + Del but failed. I applied the "Remove selected area" command from the menu, it didn't. (and delete options in the right-click menu was gray / non-clickable).
As a last resort: I combined the splitted measures. And only this way I managed to delete the next measures.
I think this is a bug related to splitted measures. (Or more accurately: it is related to measures that are outside the normal time signature setting (with excessive or missing strokes)).
After correcting the document, I wanted to write an error report. But I couldn't find under what conditions this problem occurred (now that I have little time to devote to this problem).
In reply to I had the same problem a few… by Ziya Mete Demircan
thanks very much. i'm glad its not me that screwed up. i guess i have the same problem because of the measure with the plus sign. i think someone said above that it appeared because i didn't have the right number of notes in the measure. i posted the score at https://musescore.com/user/22400121/scores/6203266 where you can see at measure 52 what i have been talking about.
So maybe someone can tell me how to do what you did so that i can get rid of the unwanted measures and continue to work on my piece.
Many thanks.
In reply to thanks very much. i'm glad… by Philip Ellis Foster
No problem at all to delete those measures (52-58). I just clicked measure 52, shift-clicked measure 58 and hit Ctrl+Del
In reply to thanks very much. i'm glad… by Philip Ellis Foster
Select measure 52
from the Right Click Menu, select "Measure Properties" option.
Change Measure duration from [ 8 ] / 4 to [ 4 ] / 4
In reply to Select measure 52 from the… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Or just delete it ;-)
I have no idea why that doesn't work for the OP, it does for me
In reply to Or just delete it ;-) I have… by Jojo-Schmitz
Maybe this is an old version problem, it may have been corrected in the new beta.
Or there may be a specific problem occurring during the session (ie: An unfamiliar bug that occurred as a result of the commands we applied consecutively during the session).
In reply to Maybe this is an old version… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Nope, I used 3.4.2, same version that seems to have been used for that score
In reply to Nope, I used 3.4.2 by Jojo-Schmitz
how do i see what version i have?
In reply to how do i see what version i… by Philip Ellis Foster
Help > About
In reply to Help > About by Jojo-Schmitz
i have version3.4.2.9788 and Revision 148e43rf
In reply to Or just delete it ;-) I have… by Jojo-Schmitz
i saw that it worked for you but the OP tried it again and it doesn't work for him=me.
In reply to i saw that it worked for you… by Philip Ellis Foster
That's why I keep telling you to revert to factory settings
In reply to That's why I keep telling… by Jojo-Schmitz
i don't know what the full consequences of this would be or how to get back to normal system. can you explain before i do something that messes up something else!
In reply to i don't know what the full… by Philip Ellis Foster
Help > Revert to factory settings
In reply to Select measure 52 from the… by Ziya Mete Demircan
thanks very much. i will try to try this.
In reply to Select measure 52 from the… by Ziya Mete Demircan
i don't see Menu on the toolbar. i could find something called Measures but it doesn't have those options.
Also, i noticed that then i click on measure 52 or 53 the box with the 1/4 and 1/8 rest lights up.
In reply to i don't see Menu on the… by Philip Ellis Foster
Select measure 52, and right click on it.
In reply to Select measure 52, and right… by Ziya Mete Demircan
thanks again. i tried that before.without luck but mysteriously, mybe i did something that changed it, but the regular CTR plus DEL finally worked.
In reply to thanks again. i tried that… by Philip Ellis Foster
As I said before: Perhaps this problem occurs after some successive operations and commands. Sometimes it is not possible to create the same problem again. Maybe a bug that has been fixed. Maybe an undiscovered side effect.
I'm glad your problem is solved.
In reply to As I said before: Perhaps… by Ziya Mete Demircan
maybe i did something in trying to get it to work that caused a change but i don't know what i did. I think your idea is right because you had a similar problem. it would be good if someone addressed that lest it recur. Many thanks again.
In reply to Does it work to use the menu… by jeetee
i think this problem started at the same time that the plus sign appeared above measure 52 and the vertical mark in the measure. Is there someway to remove those marks and maybe it will fix the problem. i don't know what i did to cause them but possibly i hit a wrong key somewhere.
In reply to i think this problem started… by Philip Ellis Foster
EUREKA!! i just tried it again with highlight and CTR+DEL and it WORKED!!!
must be the controlman was out to lunch or something!
In reply to i think this problem started… by Philip Ellis Foster
The + and - signs are there to tell you the measure has more or fewer beats than the time signature says it should. If you didn't do that on purpose, my best guess is you tried to use Ctrl+Delete on an individual note or test or barline, which would have exactly this effect.
In reply to The + and - signs are there… by Marc Sabatella
thanks for clarifying.
For what it's worth, I also encountered this situation in one score. I could insert or append measures, but I could not delete them via ctrl-del or the menu option. I could get rid of the added measures via undo, however. Saving, exiting, and re-editing removed the problem, and everything went back to normal. There is presumably some anomalous data condition that can occur during editing, but it fortunately is cleared by restarting the program, i.e. it is not a property of a broken score. If I am ever able to produce a repeatable case I will submit a ticket about it.
In reply to For what it's worth, I also… by spinality
What version of MuseScore? I recently fixed an issue that was is not in any actual released version but is in the 3.5 alpha and beta and any nightly builds from that time. See #307428: Cannot remove selected range after right-click of non-range
In reply to What version of MuseScore? … by Marc Sabatella
Sorry, I should have mentioned that. Just normal current release.
OS: Windows 10 (10.0), Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.4.2.9788, revision: 148e43f
In reply to For what it's worth, I also… by spinality
I experienced the problem as well on v. 3.6 (OSX Sierra). Could not delete any measure with Cmd+Del trying the above suggestions. I saved the file, closed and then reopened and was then able to delete the measures.
Could not reproduce but if I do I will update on what conditions caused it. I was working on an imported xml file from Sibelius and noticed I couldn't delete after several text edits & barline stretches were done (didn't import the grand staff).
In reply to I experienced the problem as… by zemlinsky1
We get just enough of these reports that I have no trouble believing there is indeed a bug where this command disables itself somehow. We fixed such a bug a year or so ago - in that case, it would disable for the rest of the session, , I think, if you tried using the right-click (aka "context" - Ctrl+click for systems with no right button) menu for this. Since that fix then I haven't been able to reproduce any further problems. But having worked on that part of the code a little, again, I have no trouble believe there might be some other sequence of actions that can cause this, and we'd love to find out what it is!
Most of the people who have reported this are on macOS, and I have only WIndows and Linux systems, which may explain why I haven't been able to reproduce it. It could somehow be a macOS-only issue.
In reply to We get just enough of these… by Marc Sabatella
Glad you finally thing it could be the system, not me. i had the problem on Windows.
In reply to Glad you finally thing it… by Philip Ellis Foster
FWIW, no one has ever doubted this problem exists. However, when you reported you saw a minus sign above a measure, that's a sure sign you hadn't selected the full measure, but instead probably only clicked a single note or rest. In that case, Ctrl+Delete will remove just the beat(s) represented by that note. This is a pretty common mistake., so something to keep in mind also.
I had the same problem. When I clicked off the "Note Input" icon (upper left corner), Ctrl + Del worked.
18 months later, I have the same problem, using Mac O/S Big Sur, Musescore version 3.6.2.548…
Has this bug been addressed yet?
In reply to 18 months later, I have the… by jdavies212
So far no one has figured out how to reproduce the problem - it just sort of randomyl happens to a very small percentage of Mac users on rare occasions. But as far as we know, it always fixes itself if you simply start MuseScore.
In reply to So far no one has figured… by Marc Sabatella
FWIW, although I haven't seen the problem recently, my past encounters were under Windows.
In reply to FWIW, although I haven't… by spinality
There was a problem in the past indeed that could happen on Windows, I think in 3.3 or 3.4, but that problem was quickly fixed in the next update. I am not aware of any reports of problems with the current version on any system but macOS.
In reply to There was a problem in the… by Marc Sabatella
Ah, thank you, my mistake. How curious that the symptom persists on macOS, presumably from a different cause.
In reply to Ah, thank you, my mistake… by spinality
Definitely a different cause when it comes to specifics since the origin problem affected all systems and was always reproducible following the same steps. It had to do with a conflict between two different versions of the same command - one coming from the context (right-click) menu, the other in the Tools menu. That specific conflict was fixed, but I can believe that another still exists but is dependent on some very specific order of operations that causes the command to become disabled. I can't provide it would only be possible on macOS, but the handful of reports of this have all been on macOS which makes only a small of all users, so I have to believe it's not coincidence.