8va on stave vs TAB
Hello,
I'm wondering if it's possible to have the tablature indicating a high note while at the same time the note on the stave is written one octave lower. I've tried to use the 8va indicator but it seems it can be applied to the stave only.
For example I want to write a C# at the 14th fret on the 2nd string while the same note should be displayed on the stave one octave lower.
See the image as an example.
Is there any way to do that?
Thank you
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Comments
I don't think so, on linked staves the pitches are (and have to be) identical
You can add a note an octave apart and make one invisible in one staff and the other in the other staff
In reply to I don't think so, on linked… by Jojo-Schmitz
This seems to be a bug or bad design decision. I don't remember seeing ottavas being discussed regarding tablatures before, but putting an 8va above a tab staff is meaningless. When you put the 8va above the standard staff, the tablature should update to the correct fingering for the actual notes rather than duplicating the ottava. The notes are not played on the same string or in most cases even the same fret position.
Thinking out loud, there is one situation that this would make sense, and that is when harmonics are used to raise the sounding note exactly one octave, but the notation would need to be updated either automatically or by the user.
In reply to This seems to be a bug or… by mike320
Hi Mike,
exactly, that was my point.
In reply to This seems to be a bug or… by mike320
i agree completely. I came across this problem a few times but was to lazy to send it to the forum.
In reply to I don't think so, on linked… by Jojo-Schmitz
Hello Jojo,
thank you for your quick reply.
I think the pitches on the linked stave and tab should be identical, but not written in the same way, otherwise we would miss the purpose of the tab.
For example it's easier to read a C on the 2nd space from the top, instead of reading it on a ledger line and then with the 8va indicator that note should be displayed on the TAB at the 8th fret of the 1st string.
In reply to Hello, thank you for your… by M123M123
I will start by saying I haven't see a lot of guitar music but I've never seen an ottava used on guitar music. One question that will be asked is how common is an ottava on guitar (or other plucked instrument) music where the tablature is used?
Perhaps @cadiz1 would have some insight since he's a knowledgeable guitar and lute teacher.
In reply to I will start by saying I… by mike320
In guitar solos transcriptions I would say it's very common, see an example attached.
In reply to In guitar solos… by M123M123
I would say you should put this in as a suggestion (set severity to S5-Suggestion) in the issue report and leave all other fields to their default. You can check the Workaround box since there is the workaround Jojo suggested.
Suggestions are entered at https://musescore.org/en/node/add/project_issue?pid=1236. Someone might change it to a bug later if the people at Ultimate Guitar (who own MuseScore) thinks it is.
In reply to I would say you should put… by mike320
A workaround:
1) Add a second guitar - standard notation - to your score (which is standard + linked staff TAB I guess)
2) Copy-paste the content of the top staff into the new one. You get: Guitar1.mscz
3) Remove the ottava line (in new staff) -> Change octave up with Ctrl + Up. You receive: Guitar1bis.mscz
4) In Instruments Dialog ("I" shortcut), change the Staff Type, ie to get a TAB staff
You are here now: Guitar2.mscz
5) Edit normally the placement of the frets regarding your wish: Guitar3.mscz
6) Finally, remove in Instruments dialog, the initial TAB staff: Guitar4.mscz
In reply to A workaround: 1) Add a… by cadiz1
Thanks Cadiz1, that's a possible solution. Hopefully they'll implement the correct functonality so that we won't have to use workarounds.
In reply to Thanks Cadiz1, that's a… by M123M123
Hmm, possibly, but not at all sure. Unless very nice surprise and motivated developer, having time, and if the implementation does not cause insurmountable difficulties. With linked staves, I have some doubts... but I have no such ability in this area, so I prefer not to say more! 🙄
I would even say that if it were "easy", it would probably have been implemented already. Moreover, for a few years now with MuseScore, there is no longer a developer specifically in charge of Tablature as was the case of Maurizio Gavioli (@Miwarre). So, I don't want to break your morale, but workaround procedures in this use case probably have a bright future ahead of them!
In reply to . by cadiz1
sure, no worries my morale is still intact :)
Fingers crossed!
In reply to . by cadiz1
@cadiz1: entirely unrelated, but please check #309243: Handbook: jpg images not showing on the page, seems you'd need to re-upload those jpg files to the handbook page, https://musescore.org/en/handbook/tablature#from_instruments
In reply to @cadiz1: antirely unrelated,… by Jojo-Schmitz
Well, sorry, these jpeg files were victimes of the emptying of my Recycle Bin.
In reply to . by cadiz1
Pity, so they are lost forever
In reply to I would say you should put… by mike320
Thanks Mike, I'll do that.
In reply to Thanks Mike, I'll do that. by M123M123
Thanks for #309272: 8v functionality failing when using TAB
See my earlier similar issue and workaround:
https://musescore.org/en/node/194161
The actual non-workaround solution has been backported to MuseScore 3.7.
Thanks Jojo!
It is working fine there now.