Cross staff lines and clefs
Hello everyone!
I am writing for piano and I am using the cross-staff feature (from bottom staff to upper one). The notes are working just fine with the command control-shift-⬆️. However, whenever I try to change cleff, or add a line (in my case, I need the octave up line, I didn't try the others), it still shows on the bottom staff, and I cannot move it up... Any command or way to do this? I kinda solved the problem by creating a number of 16ths rests on the upper staff so I could put the new cleff and octave line more or less where the notes start to show up there and then I hid the said rests, but not only the notes under the octave line don't play as so on the playback, it is an incredibly long workaround of what should be a pretty easy task. Does anyone know if I'm missing something?
Thanks!!!
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I'm a little confused by your explanation so I'll explain how I do what I think you want.
Entering notes in the bottom staff with bass clef and no notes in the treble clef (at least until where the cross staff starts). You want the notes entered in the bottom staff to be displayed in the bass clef on the top staff. Use the shortcut to move notes as you describe. You can now see which beat you need the bass clef to start on. For example, say it's on the "a" (counting "2 e and a") of beat 2. Enter the minimal number of rests necessary to put a rest starting on that beat. In this case I would use a dotted 1/4 rest followed by a 16th rest (or a double dotted 1/4 rest) and apply the clef to the next rest.
Note that if there is nothing in the top staff, you can put all of the rests in voice 1 and make all of those rests invisible by pressing v. If you have notes and want to see some different rest pattern in voice 1, then put the rests in an unused voice and make them invisible. You can still select the rest in another voice and apply the clef to that. The clef always applies to the entire staff.
I'm not sure why you use an octave line though.
In reply to I'm a little confused by… by mike320
I've been thinking about the octave line a bit. I suspect your problem might be that you want for example an A in the treble clef on the second space up but it keeps showing up on the third ledger line below the staff. If this is the case, use ctrl+up arrow to move the note physically and tonally up an octave.
In reply to I'm a little confused by… by mike320
Thanks for your answer! About the clef, that's exactly what I did, with the only difference that I didn't put the same number of rests, because the passage is a tuplet of 25 (cadenza-like passage in which the hands alternate), so I ended up writing the equivalent approximate number of 32th rests so the clef would fall nearby the place I wanted. The octave-up line is simply to be easier to read, as the passage is going quite high. I ended up doing the same thing for that, but just has the tiny disadvantage that, since the octave line only works for those invisible rests, the cross staff notes are not affected and it still sounds on the "correct" octave on the playback. Since I managed to make it look reasonably close to what I want, I probably will just leave it like that. I was just wondering if there was just a way to make it as "cross staff octave line" or "clef", but this also works. I attached a picture for clearer exposition of my point, with the "show invisible" option on. Thanks!
In reply to Thanks for your answer!… by nmventura1
The long tuplet is a real Monke wrench that can be overcome. You can create a tuplet in the other staff and make the rests line up exactly. You can make rests inside the tuplet any duration that will stay within the tuplet just as you can outside the tuplet. There's no playing with 32nd or 64th rests to get things to line up.
If you do this, you will also have the ability to put the ottava above the top staff for appearances sake then put the ottava above the bottom staff, select it and make it invisible by pressing v so it will make the notes play correctly.
In reply to The long tuplet is a real… by mike320
Right! As I only use the hiding option for rests (very often, whenever I'm working with several voices is very useful), I forgot I could do that with octave up and tuplet signs as well! A bit of a workload, but can be solved. Thanks so much for your help!