Chord with ornament(s), engraving rule question
Hello,
Since I'm blind, I can't see the original scores. Here's a question about chord with ornament(s):
If there's a two-note chord C-E with a trill, will it be a trill for single or both notes? In my opinion, and in braille transcriptions, if the two notes are all trills, both should have a trill. If the trill is for the bottom note, it should only attach to that note. However, when I'm inputting a trill to a chord, it always plays two-note trill, and I can't attach it to individual note, especially when it's for a lower note. So, if the notation rule is we must have multiple trills for multiple notes if they are all trills, then there's a chance that I'll submit an issue to implement placing ornament on individual note instead of for the top one, while others have to be entered using symbols. This applies to both ornaments in the ornaments and lines palettes. Thank you in advance!
Regards,
Haipeng
Comments
As far as I can tell trills apply to chords, not to individual notes.
If you want them to apply to just one note of a chord, split the chord into voices
In reply to As far as I can tell trills… by Jojo-Schmitz
That's good. Thank you!
In reply to That's good. Thank you! by hhpmusic
From my understanding, on a piano score an ornament applies only to the top note of a chord. If it's intended to apply to more notes it needs to be notated.
In the case of multiple instruments on a staff (like 2 clarinets) the position of the ornament tells if the top or bottom instrument plays the ornament. In the symphonic scores I've seen, when there are 3 instruments, there is a mess on the score telling all 3 instruments to play the ornament if that is what's expected. I remember running into this sometime in the last year. I'm not sure if you converted it to braille though.
In reply to From my understanding, on a… by mike320
Not in MuseScore though, there apparently an ornament applies to the chord, whether it contains just one or more notes
In reply to Not in MuseScore though by Jojo-Schmitz
Right, which is wrong ;-)
In reply to Right, which is wrong ;-) by mike320
Or left ;-)
In reply to Not in MuseScore though by Jojo-Schmitz
So, I think it's still reasonable implement a feature to put ornament and lined ornament (trill line) on individual note of a chord in non-piano score, otherwise we will run into the same problem the Laissez Vibrer symbol is facing. These extra ornaments will have to be added as symbols, not normal ornaments and trill lines, which will cause limited Musicxml export and manual edits in braille. Musicxml supports ornament and wavy trill line on individual note under the notation - ornaments tag, so there will be no conflict.
There's a special case of piano score where the mordent is for lower note of a chord, but not correctly converted in braille due to this limitation. It's Bach's Sechs kleine Präludien in the Open Score page. The first chord has the C played in mordent, but E not, so the ornament should be attached to C not E. Moving the ornament down doesn't change the property at all, so the braille is wrong.
Haipeng