I cant make my tittle box bigger!

• Jan 15, 2021 - 22:31

It might of been the new update or maybe just a setting i have on. Please help, i cannot live with out a good looking tittle!

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In reply to by jeetee

I disagree!
How to change the frame HAS changed in the way that there is now is a new, separate "box": "Enable Auto-Size". When this is checked (default) all the "old ways" of changing the frame-size does not work. You have to "un-tick" this box to get back manual control over the frame-size.

In reply to by ErlingI

That shouldn't necessarily be true - even with autosize enabled, you can still override this manually. At least, to make the frame bigger. Making it smaller would indeed require you to disable the automatic sizing.

The intent of the autosize, though, is to save work, not create it. If you leave it enabled, your frames will automatically expand to contain a long text - you won't need to resize it manually.

In reply to by jeetee

Nothing to apologies for really!
Current software, with "myriads" of menus, options, preferences, inspectors, tic-boxes etc. etc. is almost impossible to handle for most of us! Even the "insiders"!
So many times I sit with a Musescore-screen in front of me and I do not SEE what the screen "tells me" due to the "overload" (no negative intention!) of options overall in the product. A well-known "feature" from many software products (i.e. M.S. Office)
I guess this is one of the reasons for many "stupid" support-questions to "you guys"!
(And I am impressed how well/patient you all handle it!).

I think I am having the same problem since I installed MuseScore 3.6. I append a vertical frame, click on it to select it, it turns blue with a little box at the bottom, all like in the previous version. But if I try to drag the little box to enlarge the frame, nothing happens. Also if I select the frame, look at the inspector, and change the Height setting, nothing happens to the frame.

The only way I've found to enlarge the frame is to Add/Text and insert a bunch of blank Enters -- an awkward and irritating kludge.

In the previous version enlarging a frame was a simple and clear process that I used in almost every score I created. I'm disappointed that it doesn't seem to work any more.

In reply to by jcorelis

See the reply by ErlingI above:

There is now is a new, separate "box": "Enable Auto-Size". When this is checked (default) all the "old ways" of changing the frame-size does not work. You have to "un-tick" this box to get back manual control over the frame-size.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I have a certain standard format for my scores which MuseScore doesn't enable well, so I have to kludge it.

I want my score to begin with a cover page that includes the title, date, length, composer, lyricist, an image, and optional program or performance notes. When I start a new score, I get a frame at the top with the title in it. What I need is a blank frame as the whole first page to make my cover sheet. I can make that title frame the whole first page by hitting CR repeatedly, but this is awkward and leads to complications in adding other things. It's much easier to drag the frame so it fills up the whole first page, then add what I want to it as the cover sheet.

I also want to make the entire second page blank and then add copyright and permissions information to it. Again, this may be possible by hitting CR, but it's easier if I can insert a vertical frame on the second page and then pull it to enlarge it so it fills the whole second page.

And I also usually want a page at the end with nothing but my autobiography and portrait on it, and some times yet another page with nothing but song lyrics on it. Again, I find it most convenient to create these pages by inserting a full page blank frame.

Finally , there are times when I just want to insert a completely blank page in a score. This is especially important when creating parts. For instance, if I have a score for soprano, flute, cello and piano, generating parts may result, depending on how the pagination works out, in the last page of the whole score having on its reverse the first page of the soprano part, or the last page of the soprano part having the first page of the flute part on its reverse. The only way I know to manage this is to insert blank pages, which I find is most conveniently done with stretchable frames, at points where necessary to avoid the situation described.

(Tangential complaint: parts generation really shouldn't let this happen; the score and each part should be created in its own integral set of pages, with no page including a page from each -- in other words, parts generation should automatically insert blank pages where necessary to avoid this.)

In reply to by jcorelis

I'm still not following. Why do you need that stretch frame? Any frame you are using to force an extra page never needed to be stretched, it just needs the page break. Any frame you are stretch to fit the contents doesn't need the stretch any more, this sizing happens automatically. So I'm not getting which frame you need to stretch for some other as yet not understood reason. Not saying such reasons couldn't exist, but again, an actual example would help us understand and assist better.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Attached is a simple example. I made a new score, and a title frame was automatically inserted at the top of page 1. Then I put an image in that frame. What I want is for the frame to fill up the whole first page with the title and image in it, and the image to fill up most of the frame.

But I can't at this point either the drag box or CRs to make the frame fill the whole first page, and if I drag the image corner to enlarge it, it enlarges out of the frame, which I find confusing and I'm not sure won't cause problems. Experiment shows that if I position the cursor at the end of the title text, I can then use CRs to put empty space under the text which will eventually enlarge the frame, but the text and CR spaces are surrounded by a thick gray bar box which I don't think I've seen in previous versions and I'm not sure how to manage it for subsequent edits. For me, at least, it's much easier and simpler to just enlarge the frame with the frame drag box until it fills the whole first page, then insert the image in the frame, which subsequently can easily be resized and re-positioned.

This may well be just a matter of personal style, but I really find just being able to enlarge the frame as I've described to be much easier and more straightforward, at least to do what I want to do.

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In reply to by jcorelis

As explained, to get the title frame to be a page unto itself. just add a page break. To make the image bigger, you do that directly, by clicking and dragging the handle, or using the Inspector. Changing the frame size isn't needed at all. Not sure what problem you thinking might come of having the image larger than the frame? But anyhow, if it pleases you to also make the frame bigger, you certainly can. I'd probably do it by simply typing the desired size into the Inspector. If you do this for lots of scores, just make that a template and then each score you crete from it will have that set already, saving more time.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I noticed the same question in French forum : https://musescore.org/fr/node/314147#comment-1052482
The user wanted to append a vertical frame in its score, and, for some reason, he wanted to change the "Height". He failed to do this as expected (and as possible with previous versions)

I discovered too this new option, in Inspector, about frames : "Enable Auto-Size"
To get to the point: why/when this option has been added (in which goal, for which use cases) ?
For the moment, I note that it is disturbing the users. And in a word, what is the benefit of this option (new default option) that would be superior to the disorder it currently causes?

In reply to by jeetee

I see, in this case, it's nice. Well, in version 2 (or previous versions 3), it was trivial to edit the frame, if wished.
Now, the question would be: is it the most commun use case that would deserve a new "default", since apparently users feedbacks are elsewhere.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

In the example I gave, if I have a score for soprano, flute, cello and piano, suppose I generate parts and the full score is 7 pages and the other three parts are each 4 pages. So the printout of the parts will have:

Sheet one - page 1 of full score on front, page 2 on back
Sheet two - page 3 of full score on front, page 4 on back
Sheet three - page 5 of full score on front, page 6 on back
Sheet four - page 7 of full score on front, page 1 of soprano score on back ...

Sheet four is where the problem starts. When I hand the soprano the soprano part, it's going to have an extraneous (to the performer) extra page on the front of the first page of that part. That soprano part when separated out from the rest should have the first page of the soprano part on the front of the first page of the soprano part printout; instead, it has the last page of the full score on the front of the soprano page printout. And the rest of the parts printout may or may not have the same problem, depending on how the pagination works out. This may not be a show-stopper, but it is irritating and looks unprofessional.

Unless I'm missing some simpler way of doing this, the only solution I've found is to use an empty frame to insert blank pages as needed at the end of each section of score-and-parts so the printouts will begin each section, full score and individual parts, on the front page of each sheet beginning that section's printout.

If there is a simpler solution, please let me know. If not, then I'll comment that while of course I don't know MuseScore programming capabilities, the logic seems fairly simple:


In reply to by jcorelis

So you're talking about the single PDF containing score and parts, not the parts themselves? That wasn't clear to me. Then yes, I could imagine a new option being added to force even page boundaries. Personally I don't use to use that combined PDF, but I do sometimes use a separate PDF utility to combine files, and those generally have options like that.

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