How can I add grace notes before a barline?

• Nov 23, 2021 - 01:32

I have been composing a piece and I want to move an acciaccatura consisting of a downward arpeggio into the pickup measure, just like the first acciaccatura group in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzLx-5l7gBs .
(Yes, it has a slash)
even if I try to move it with arrow keys with auto placing disabled, it still does not cross the barline.
how can I do this?


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In reply to by :D:D:D

Unfortunately, an acciaccatura isn't offered. I never encountered a need until this evening in a Mazurka by Chopin. (As it would be expected to sound the same as if the acciaccatura were in its typical position as a prefix to the main note of the next measure, I decided just to notate it in the conventional way.)

In reply to by stevebob

If it's after a note, it's not an acciaccatura. Some editor may have chosen to notate it with a slash for some reason (is there a footnote explaining why?), and you can certainly add a slash if you like, but it won't mean what it normally means, and probably isn't worth adding since other musicians won't understand the purpose either.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Well, it is before the first chord group, and it is an acciaccatura, but I want to retain the way the manuscript is notated (though it seems to defy certain rules) . I am doing this so I can read it (sight reading manuscripts is a nightmare) and it happens to me that it is easier to read if it the acciaccatura is placed before the bar lines.

In reply to by :D:D:D

Sorry, I thought you said you were composing a piece, in which case, you are in control of the notation and there is no reason to create confusion in readers of your composition by violating the standards. But if you are copying an existing historical manuscript where the original editor chose to violate the rules (or the rules were different back then), then inadded, as I suggested, still use the "grace note after" but adfd the slash manually if desired. It won't actually mean anything different than without the slash, but it will be a more faithful recreation of the original editor's intention notation.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Funnily enough, this afternoon I was preparing for a performance of the Aragonaise from Bizet's Carmen and spotted this in the 1st clarinet part (Kalmus reprint of Breitkopf and Haertel). 3 out of 4 have the slash. I have never noticed on any of the many previous occasions I have played this. The other woodwinds playing this have the same.

acciac-bef-barline.jpg

I guess the rules were different back then.

In reply to by SteveBlower

Notation of grace notes has been constantly changing for the past several centuries indeed. This seems to be a sort of specialized situation, it's basically a trill ending and hence notated that way rather than as an acciaccatura Given the context, the actual intended effect is probably neither exactly. But that context is the same with slash or without - it's not an appoggiatura for sure, not a true acciaccatura, but something specific to the juxtaposition with the trill.

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