Can't get rid of greyed out rests

• Feb 24, 2022 - 12:39

I have a song I imported from the Sheet Music Scanner iPhone app. It has some added rests that were not in the original sheet music in measure 10. (see attached.). I saw in another post that you can get rid of the greyed out plus sign by adjusting the measure, which I did. However, the rests are still there. How do I get rid of them?

Thanks,

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Those greyed out rests are "invisible" in that they do not show when you print the score or export it to pdf. If they not in voice 1 they can be deleted. However, I recommend keeping them as it makes life easier if you want to make edits. You can tell if they are in voice 1 by clicking to select them. They will turn blue if they are in voice 1 and the voice 1 button will show as selected.

If you don't want to see them (but still retain them to aid future editing) you can turn off the display of "invisible" items from the view menu - see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/viewing-and-navigation#visibility-o…. Again, unless they are too disturbing to you I recommend that you keep them showing as you will probably want to select them when editing and would have to turn back on their visibility from the view menu.

In reply to by shenaw2016

The real difficulty is that the conversion from the image you scanned has not made a very good job of it. Without knowing what the original score looked like no-one here can tell you how to fix that conversion. It is usually much more trouble to fix a poorly converted image (which most of them are) than to enter the music into musescore manually.

In reply to by bobjp

  1. Append 4 measures.
  2. Copy + Paste measure 6 into the first of the added measures. Result: Measure 6 is now two measures.
  3. Select measure 6 and use "Remove Selected Range" (from Tools menu) to delete measure 6.
  4. Insert 2 measures where measure six used to be.
  5. Copy + Paste the two measures you created at the end of the piece, into the two new measures (where measure six used to be).
  6. Copy + Paste measure 10 into the open measures left at the end of the piece. Result: Measure 10 is now 2 measures.
  7. Enter the notes from the first beat of last measure into their place in the rests on the and of beat four in the pervious measure.
  8. Select old measure 10 and use "Remove Selected Range" to delete it.
  9. Insert a new blank measure 10 and copy corrected measure 10 you created ( you don't need the second measure) at the end of the piece, into it.
  10. Select the end measures you created at the end of the piece and use "Remove Selected Range" to delete them.

As usual it takes longer to describe how to do this than it does to actually do it. Indeed sometimes there are so many mistakes that starting over is a good way to go. But not in this case. To me, the steps here are faster than starting over.
You could also C+P the entire piece into a new score. But you'd still have to deal with measure 10.

In reply to by shenaw2016

Steps 6 - 9 correct measure 10.

When you C+P measure 10 into empty measures you created at the end of the piece, the result is that two measures are created. The first measure ( we'll call it 10a ) has quarter note rest at the end of two of the staves. Enter the needed notes on those rests. You don't need the second measure. Old measure 10 ( in the body of the piece) has to be deleted and and a new empty measure put in it's place. C+P measure 10a into the empty measure 10 spot

In reply to by bobjp

The quarter note rest at the end should not be there. It should be removed. How do I remove it? It should not be turned into a note.

If i understand it correctly, greyed-out notes and rests are caused by having notes and rests that are beyond the time signature. I saw that also with a greyed-out plus sign. When I copied and pasted that measure, the copied measure didn't have the greyed-out plus sign. So, it seemed copying removed the incorrect notation. But, in the case of measure 10, that doesn't seem to be happening.

Thanks for your help on this. I really appreciate it.

In reply to by bobjp

@bobjp...
Apparently, somewhere there is a MuseScore .mscz file (not yours) that causes MuseScore to crash. That is, when @shenaw "went to paste measure 10 at the end", Musescore crashed.
The first post contained an .xml file. You were able to fix it and later posted a "visual' which, @shenaw followed, and reported that it didn't work for him:
I went to try to follow your visual but when I went to paste measure 10 at the end, my Musescore crashed.
Again, it is that .mscz file which needs to be attached.

In reply to by Jm6stringer

I understand. And it is entirely possible that my instructions were not very clear. Just like I'm not sure what "went to paste measure 10 at the end" means. "at the end" as in the final step? Or the end of the piece? Into the proper blank measure? Did the first part of my instructions work? If so, the second part is not that much different.
A .mscz from @shenaw will be helpful. But I imagine better instructions would have helped also.

In reply to by shenaw2016

To be clear: greyed out notes and rests are not caused by having notes and rests that are beyond the time signature. Only the little plus sign (that is visible on screen for your convenience but does not print) is used for that. Greyed out notes or rests are present any time you enter a note or rest and make it invisible, or in your case, if the program you are using to attempt to convert a picture of music into actual music thinks for whatever reason it might be appropriate to have invisible notes or rests. That might be because the program is thinking there are not enough beats in the measure and therefore adds some invisible rests to make up the difference, or because it is thinking some particular voice within the measure is not complete and therefore needs invisible rests to fill it out the measure. Or any of probably dozens of other reasons.

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