Prima and Seconda volta in Musescore 4
When I add repeat to the score (play count 3 in my case), the Prima/Seconda/Terza volta markings within that section work on playback (and MIDI save) as expected EXCEPT for the first bar of the repeat. The first bar gets played regardless, while the intent is to have the first bar of the repeat to play in a certain way on the first and third runs, and on another way on the second run. The 2nd bar, i.e. the one with Seconda volta, of the repeat plays correctly on first and third runs - i.e. gets skipped - but both 1st and 2nd bar get played on the second run. Am I wrong somehow or is Musescore 4?
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MS 4 isn't wrong, I am sure :-).
Attach you score please.
Here's the problematic part of the score.
In reply to Here's the problematic part… by purppurata
Interesting volta usage!
I only have MS 3.6.2, but the same thing happens there. But if I delete the repeat bar line at the beginning there, then it seems to work correctly.
Try it in MS 4.
In reply to Interesting volta usage! I… by HildeK
The repeat bar deletion kind of works. But when there are bars BEFORE that repeat begin marker (which I erased from the sample), the repeat now jumps there. So kind of not-working solution.
About the "interesting usage": I use Musescore as the Ultimate Tab/Notes Scripting Tool, and I often need to get creative in order to squeeze everything into 2 A4 pages max.
In reply to The repeat bar deletion kind… by purppurata
Yes, you're right, with bars bevore the left repeat bar line is necessary and then it doesn't work.
Maybe s.o. else has a tip. The behavour is not MS4 specific.
In reply to The repeat bar deletion kind… by purppurata
If you struggle to fit everything on two pages try making everything smaller by reducing the staff space scaling in the Format>Page settings menu.
In reply to If you struggle to fit… by SteveBlower
Definitely. That's the first thing to do. Repeats design comes to picture only if Format / Style / Page etc. aren't sufficient.
In reply to Here's the problematic part… by purppurata
Voltas are, by definition, alternative endings
If something else sometimes works, that is a benefit, and not a bug on those ones where it doesn't
In reply to Voltas are, by definition,… by Jojo-Schmitz
"Volta" is "Time", and in this context e.g. "secunda volta" translates directly to "the second time", not "at the second ending". Can you provide link to some music notation narrative that states voltas are to be used only as endings? Furthermore, if such music notation constraint exists, then those player detectable in-between-repeat voltas are essentially a bug, no? Or if they're more like a Musescore offered benefit, then why couldn't the benefit also be extended to the first bar of the repeat?
For the intended use, I can simply move the problematic bars to the end of the repeat, where they'll conflict neither with theory nor practice. It'll cost just one or two extra bars, plus the slight distraction that chorus section begin gets to be at the end of the repeat.
If this still is a mismatch between implementation and "theoretical" music notation, then mentioning it here might be useful.
In reply to "Volta" is "Time", and in… by purppurata
One piece of documentation is https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/voltas
And other is Elaine Gould's "Behind bars", page 236:
First- and second-time endings
These may be indicated in English or Italian: first time or prima volta; second
time or seconda volta; and final time or ultima volta.
Any variation at all between repeat endings, however small (e.g. a pause on
the final ending), requires separate endings in the form of first- and second—
time bars.
In reply to One piece of documentation… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you. Then I'll suppose it's best to be happy about the extended (and undocumented) functionality (or bug) provided by Musescore, while it lasts. Some amount of trial and error resulted in a successful fit of the whole score to 2 pages, as attached.