How to move part of a note to the second stave?
How to move part of a note to the second stave?
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See Cross-staff notation in the Handbook:
https://handbook.musescore.org/idiomatic-notation/keyboard/cross-staff-…
In reply to See Cross-staff notation in… by Brer Fox
This is not a good option. Make it so that only the selected notes can be moved and the rest of the notes remain in place.
https://youtu.be/U9LUZ7-4wvw
See How to span a chord or stem over two staves:
https://musescore.org/en/node/8717
... but your video refers to a completely different problem.
In reply to See How to span a chord or… by DanielR
Not really. The OP is about only moving part of a chord to the staff below. Which isn't possible without smoke and mirrors. What he wants can be done. But what a hassle.
![Screenshot 2025-04-26 084507.png]( "Screenshot 2025-04-26 084507.png")
In reply to Not really. The OP is about… by bobjp
@DanielR is right of course. The OP (@loginvovchyk) is confusing two different things (and certainly no need for smoke and mirrors in either case...)
In his attached image in first message, he shows this (and the 1st measure of the GIF below, showing this feature: https://musescore.org/en/node/8717)
![1shot.png]( "1shot.png")
But the OP's video refers to something else - see 2d measure of the GIF. Cross-staff notation feature (https://handbook.musescore.org/idiomatic-notation/keyboard/cross-staff-…) don't work simply because the notes are in the same voice (1 here). This is by design. With two voices, the cross-staff effect occurs as expected.
To sum up, if the OP wants to obtain the result of his image, he must use the function shown in the first GIF measure (and not the cross-staff notation)
In reply to @DanielR is right of course… by cadiz1
Agree, what you showed is very time consuming and requires creating additional voices. It would be good if the developers only shifted the notes that the user selected and automatically stretched the rest itself
In reply to Agree, what you showed is… by loginvovchyk
No, not at all. What do you want to achieve? The display of your image, right? So you don't need at all the cross-staff notation feature, that's something else, in another use cases. What you need to do is the procedure showed in the first measure of the GIF.
In reply to No, not at all. What do you… by cadiz1
Don't forget to finish the example. Separate the second an third 1/8th notes. Add a spacer to make sure the staves stay the same distance (as per the manual), And hide the extra rests this method creates. Sure would be easier if we could just select a note and shift it up or down a staff. which is what the OP was trying to show in the video.
In reply to Don't forget to finish the… by bobjp
Sigh... Apparently you haven't yet understood that the OP image requires to span stems over two staves. We're not talking about cross-staff notation here. And there's certainly no need to use a spacer (the manual isn't always up to date...), you just need, as I show in the GIF, to disable auto-place to prevent stems editing from spreading the staves, that's all.
In reply to Sigh... Apparently you haven… by cadiz1
Sigh yourself. I never said anything about cross-staff notation. Sure we don't NEED a spacer. But it does make sure that the staves stay the same distance apart, regardless of what we do later. Plus with the spacer there is no need to disable auto place. Just different means to an end.
In reply to Sigh yourself. I never said… by bobjp
Useless comment... Just one more...
In reply to Useless comment... Just one… by cadiz1
Much like yours ;)
In reply to Much like yours ;) by bobjp
You tire me... Just a pain in the ass trying to trade with you.
In reply to You tire me... Just a pain… by cadiz1
Then don't. Try to be an adult and move on. And I'll do the same.
In reply to Then don't. Try to be an… by bobjp
Try to be an adult...! LOL
Try to be competent on this forum...
In reply to Try to be an adult...! LOL… by cadiz1
I knew you couldn't do it.
My image used similar steps to yours. But actually finished the job. You didn't even try to make yours look like what the OP wanted.
In reply to I knew you couldn't do it… by bobjp
Blah-blah-blah...
And with that, good night.
In reply to Blah-blah-blah... And with… by cadiz1
I know you won't let it go. You can't. Every time I post something, there you'll be.
Apologies to the OP.
Turns out you can use cross-staff as part of the process. You still have to fiddle with things. But doable. And the manual is correct in this case. If anyone is still interested I can post steps.
In reply to Apologies to the OP. Turns… by bobjp
interested !
In reply to interested ! by loginvovchyk
OK. I'll post a step by step a bit later.
In reply to OK. I'll post a step by step… by bobjp
As usual, there is more than one way to do most things. In this case we have a measure with a triad in the treble clef with 1/8th notes and 1/4 notes on beat 1 and 3 in the base clef.
1. hold CTRL and select each of the bottom notes in the chords in the treble clef. Select voice 2 in the tool bar. Those notes are now green and stem down.
2. Select the Cross-staff icon from the tool bar and move to staff below. Those notes are now in the base clef.
3. Select one beamed 1/8th notes and go to the Beam Properties palette and select No Beam (the single 1/8th note).
4. Use the Flip icon to make sure all the beams are up.
5. Go to the layout palette (not the Layout tab). Select a treble clef measure (I did the first measure) select the Staff spacer fixed down. This keeps the space between staves the same no matter what you might do latter in the score.
6. Hold CTRL and select each of the 1/8th note flages. Just the flags and hit "V".
7. In turn, select each stem and drag the gray box that appears up to the note above.
8. Select the voice 2 1/8th rest on beat 3 and hit Delete.
9. Go to View>Show and Uncheck "Show Invisible.
Are there other ways? It just depends on the situation. This would be much easier if we could just move the lower note by itself to begin with.