space between staves
I recently added twelve additional measures to an eighteen stave score. The first nine staves are perfectly aligned with the preceding staves while the bottom nine have too much space between staves. I also notice an additional horizontal line at the bottom of the page, only under the section of the score in question. How do I reduce the apace between the bottom nine staves to correspond to the rest of the score?
Jim Duke
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Could you attach here your score? To better understand the problem.
In reply to Could you attach here your by Shoichi
How do I do that?
In reply to How do I do that? by james duke
under the window where you write your comments:
![Allegare.png]( "Allegare.png")
click "File attachments", then drag the file on the button "Browse"
In reply to How do I do that? by james duke
Nothing happens when I click "File attachments" (it's surrounded by a red border, does that mean anything? ) and I don't see any "Browse " button.
In reply to Nothing happens when I click by james duke
It will have to be in a new post - you cannot attach to an old post.
In reply to It will have to be in a new by xavierjazz
Sorry to be so dense, but how do I do that ?
In reply to Sorry to be so dense, but how by james duke
you just did a new post.
When you do again, just slightly over the save button you see "File attachment", click on it
Meanwhile, you might want to read the Handbook section on Layout and formatting . Pay special attention to the part about staff spacing and the page fill threshold.
In reply to Meanwhile, you might want to by Marc Sabatella
When_I_Take_My_Sugar_To_Tea_(I).mscz I have read and re-read the Handbook on Basic formatting (pg.27.) The problem is that I don't want to increase the space between lines though out the whole score, just the most recently added measures. I'm convinced the problem lies with the additional horizontal lines at the bottom of the page below the problem area.
In reply to [inline:When_I_Take_My_Sugar_ by james duke
Your page length is just not sufficient to host that many staves and lyrics.
So you need to increase that, or reduce the space between staves or the space above and below lyrics or the overall size, which in turn boils down to the space between 2 lines and a normal staff
In reply to [inline:When_I_Take_My_Sugar_ by james duke
Now it is clearer, thanks.
The lyrics are indispensable, for each instrument, in measure 67?
I am attaching the two files where I edited "Page Settings / Scaling" to 1.353mm:
B: I deleted the lyrics;
C: I left the lyrics.
The pages may not look the same, but you can see all the instruments
In reply to [inline:When_I_Take_My_Sugar_ by james duke
I'm not sure what "additional horizontal lines" you mean. I don't see anything unusual at the bottom of any page. I also don't understand what you mean about wanting to increasse space on the "most recently added measures". For one thing, I'm not sure *which* measures were most recently added. But from what I see, all pages have essentially identical layout except page 1, which contains the header, and page 18, which contains lyrics. Pages 8-17 take slightly more space than the others because there is one staff with lyrics, but page 18 is *way* longer because it contains lyrics on every staff. Bringing it all the way down to 0 allows page 18 to just fit.
Anyhow, the only issue I see is with lyrics. MuseScore always allocates extra space for them, which is a fairly standard thing to do, but it's causing problems here as your page is simply not big enough to accomodate them, as noted by Jojo. You can reduce the lyric margins in Style / Edit General Style / Page.
If there is something else you are having trouble with, please be specific about exactly where else we should be looking and what we should be looking for.
In reply to I'm not sure what "additional by Marc Sabatella
Greatly appreciate your help and assistance. Look at pg. 20 and only pg. 20. The distance between staves is greater than the rest of the score, beginning in the trumpet section and continuing down to the bass and drums which are now covered by the margin. This variance in stave distance is reflected by positioning the navigator on the bottom of that page. The space between the lines is greater than the rest of the score.
I'm sure I'm using the wrong terms at times, so thank you for your patience.
In reply to Greatly appreciate your help by james duke
I don't see what you are seeing. I have no page 20 - page 19 is the last page. And it looks looks exactly like pages 2-7 (the other pages that contain no lyrics). Only page 18 is significantly larger than others on my system, and that is, as we have already mentioned, specifically because of the lyrics. What version of MuseScore are you using, and on what OS? In this particular instance, it would also help if you posted a screenshot or maybe saved as PDF so we can be sure we are seeing the same as you. Sometimes there are slight differences in layout between different systems.
In reply to I don't see what you are by Marc Sabatella
When I change page margins, widen or reduce the space between staves, the rest of the score responds, the problem page does not and seems to have a mind of it's own. The solution appears to be to delete the problem page and add additional measures to the preceding page, In other words, start over.
In reply to When I change page margins, by james duke
I repeat: page length is just too short to fix all the staves plus lyrics, increase page length, you're using a custom page size already, so why not.
Or just reduce lyrics upper margin and lyrics lower margin by 0.5 (to 1.5) each, and that last page will fit.
In reply to I repeat: page length is just by Jojo-Schmitz
That's one way of addressing the problem and I thank you for the idea. The bottom margin is completely adequate for pages 1-19 and 21. Page 20 remains the problem as evidenced by the space between lines under pg. 20 where the navigator resides. Maybe it's a "systems'" problem. I'll probably try deleting page 20 and do the Create Measures procedure for, I hope, a better result.
In reply to That's one way of addressing by james duke
There is no page 20 or 21, the problem page is page 19, which is the last page.
If you see something different, we are probably not talking about the same score and maybe not even about the same problem
In reply to There is no page 20 or 21, by Jojo-Schmitz
Starting at pg.68, the first three instruments (alto, alto, & tenor) lines are spaced in accordance with all of the preceding measures. Beginning with the lst. and second tenor, the space widens, moving the second tenor down, the baritone sax further down, etc. so by the bottom of the page the guitar, bass, and drums disappear into the margin. Every other page in the score is fine with the current page settings except this one.
Is there a way to move JUST the offending staves vertically without changing the rest of the arrangement's format?
In reply to Starting at pg.68, the first by james duke
Again, the score you oploaded has only 19 pages. We can't answer questions about pages 20, 21, or 68 unless you upload a score that actually *has* that many pages so we can see what you are talking about :-)
In reply to Starting at pg.68, the first by james duke
I might also add that I tried the reduced scaling suggested on the 5th by Shoichi but why do I have to reduce the size of the whole score for one page. The rest of the piece is fine. Plus, these arrangements are written for high school musicians, they need good-sized notes!
In reply to I might also add that I tried by james duke
They won't be reading from the score; they will be reading from the parts. So when you extract the parts, just use normal (or even larger than normal if you prefer) scaling for them.
But as I suggested before, you don't actually need to reduce the scaling in order to make that one page fit. Simply reducing the lyric margins does the trick.
In reply to They won't be reading from by Marc Sabatella
Success!!! I reduced the lyric margins to .05 and can now see all 18 lines, 17 instruments and vocal. Thanks to JoJo Schmitz a & Marc Sabatella for that suggestion and thank you all for your ideas, suggestions, and above all, your patience!
Jim Duka
In reply to Success!!! I reduced the by james duke
suggestion (excuse me if I dare): for melisma maybe you could use underline
http://musescore.org/en/handbook/lyrics
to prevent some overlay