How offset beam to match offset quaver?
I have a bar where I need to apply a little horizontal offset to beamed quavers. Problem is I cannot persuade the beam to move. If this image displays ok, the problem is in the piano right hand, the Anat-Aflat-G sequence. To make this visible I have shifted the first and second quavers to the right (and stems) using horizontal offset, but the beam stays in original position no matter how I try to edit it. Horizontal offset has no effect, and I've also tried "Local relayout" and "grow left" and "grow right". I've also tried unbeaming and re-beaming etc but no luck. Could this be a bug? Should the beam just move with the stems?
Any assistance greatly appreciated (or suggestions as to how to make this bar legible some other way!).
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Better to attach the score (or an extract from it) and specify what OS and version of MuseScore.
In reply to Better to attach the score by Shoichi
Windows 10 and Musescore 2.0.2 revision f51dc11
In reply to Windows 10 and Musescore by crispin
Maybe you've clicked in the wrong place:
I can not reproduce (With Vista and 2.0.2). Have you tried double-clicking on the head of the note and the directional arrows?
See: To edit spacing between individual notes .
In reply to See: To edit spacing between by geetar
Thank you geetar, that is very helpful. When a note head is moved using the left and right arrows, the stem and the beam automatically adjust.
When the position is altered using the horizontal offset in the Inspector, the stem moves automatically but the beam does not (and I cannot find any other way of adjusting it). I think this is perhaps a bug? [edit: see below I realize now I was using the wrong inspector properties].
There seem to be other slight weaknesses in this area, such as the behaviour of "undo" after horizontal adjustments made different ways, and the relationship between the inspector properties and the actual note, but nothing I cannot work around.
So thank you - my problem is solved!
If the horizontal offset in the Inspector doesn't work (it should)
You can double click on a note head and use the right/left arrows to move it.
Stems and beams will follow when you click elsewhere or press Esc.
For 'a suggestion as to how to make this bar legible some other way...'
Regards.
In reply to If the horizontal offset in by Jm6stringer
thank you jm6stringer that is a good suggestion for an alternative presentation.
And from your image I can see what I originally did wrong (and thought was a bug). I was adjusting the horizontal offset of the "Element" and applying this to the head and stem. Your image shows I should have done this to the "Chord", and when I do this everything works perfectly. So apologies for the false bug alert!
In reply to thank you jm6stringer that is by crispin
Yes, this is a common source of confusion, someday it would be good to see if we can make it more clear. The "Element" section in this case applies to the notehead itself, to allow you to move it independently from the stem, beam, etc.
As for how to make this more readable, it's always tricky when there are three independent voices on a staff. I don't have any great suggestions. I don't like the stem of the A between the note and dot for the E. But moving it further right isn't all that clear either, as it isn't obvious the A is simultaneous with the E. I tried moving the A to the left, and then adjusting the beam so it doesn't intersect the E, but I don't love that either. In the end, my favorite arrangement was leaving the A alone but instead moving the E to the right, and flipping the stem up:
I assume it's not literally always three voices in the top staff so there is no real need for the stem of the E to be down (eg, to make it consistent with other measures). But if you do really need the E stem down, then you *could* adjust the beam to avoid the E:
In reply to Yes, this is a common source by Marc Sabatella
Interesting suggestions - I prefer the first version - but for now I have gone with this and will seek feedback from a organist
![BeamOffsetQuestion3.PNG]( "BeamOffsetQuestion3.PNG")
![BeamOffsetQuestion2.PNG]( "BeamOffsetQuestion2.PNG")
The original from which I am transcribing, in the composer's hand, looks like this:
Just to add I've been extremely impressed by the speed and helpfulness of the responses to this my first forum post - keep up the good work on Musescore!