"Add more/less stretch"
I'm not sure these terms are good ones "add less" seems rather strange to me, I'd propose chaning
Add more stretch → Add stretch
Add less stretch → Reduce stretch
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Good call. Looks like an improvement to me. Note: I'm not native English.
In reply to Good call. Looks like an by Thomas
It is translated into German with "D e h n e n" and "Stauchen", so "S t r e t c h" and "Compress" might fit the bill too?
Native speakers' comments needed ;-)
In reply to It is translated into German by Jojo-Schmitz
Why not "Add stretch" and "Reduce stretch"?
In reply to Why not "Add stretch" and by xavierjazz
For example because "Add" is not really the opposite of "Reduce"...
Etch measure as a 'stretch' property, so you don't really add stretch but increase the existing one.
But then again "Increase stretch" should be paired with "Decrease stretch" and that doesn't look good to me, neither does "Add strecht" vs. "Substract stretch", actually that looks even worse.
This has always bugged me, although in a way I came to accept it as an interesting quirk :-)
I don't think "Increase Stretch" is particularly awkward, so I'd personally with "Increase stretch / Decrease Stretch" for consistency rather than "Add Stretch / Reduce Stretch. However, while we're at it, would it perhaps be more to the point to say "Spacing" instead of "Stretch"> After allm the corresponding Style setting that is being increased/decrease (for the selected range) is "Measure / Spacing".
So, how about "Increase Spacing" and "Decrease Spacing"?
In reply to This has always bugged me, by Marc Sabatella
Even better indeed.
In reply to This has always bugged me, by Marc Sabatella
OK, deal.
Unless there are objections
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https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/1721
:-)
In reply to This has always bugged me, by Marc Sabatella
That was quick :-)
One snag - what about the Measure Properties dialog? The accumulated value of the spacing adjustments is presented as "Layout stretch". If we lose "stretch" from the menu, then the meaning of this setting isn't as obvious. Something like "Spacing adjustment factor" might do the trick, although it's kind of ugly.
In reply to That was quick :-) One snag - by Marc Sabatella
Also "Reset Stretch" and "Reset measure stretch" need to get adjusted :-(
"Reset Spacing" and "Reset measure spacing"?
Could be confused with thte "Space" setting?
In reply to Also "Reset Stretch" and by Jojo-Schmitz
Forgive me, "As Time Goes By" ...and I continue to intrude:
Add Bars strecht
Increase Bars strecht
Could it be a compromise?
In reply to Forgive me, "As Time Goes By" by Shoichi
Well, in US English it'd be "measure", not "bar" and "Add" is still not the opposite of "Reduce" ;-)
In reply to Also "Reset Stretch" and by Jojo-Schmitz
What's "Reset measure stretch"? The tooltip for "Reset stretch"?
I don't love it, but if we consistently called it "spacing factor" - "Increase spacing factor", "Reset spacing factor", "Spacing factor" - that might be OK. Since "Space" was changed to "Staff space" some time ago, maybe the confusion won't be too great.
In reply to What's "Reset measure by Marc Sabatella
Either that or used in shortcuts menu, not sure
In reply to What's "Reset measure by Marc Sabatella
OK, "{Increase,Decrease,Reset}[ Measure] Spacing Factor"
Unless someone can come up with something better
In reply to That was quick :-) One snag - by Marc Sabatella
"Spacing factor" or "Spacing adjustment"?
In reply to "Spacing factor" or "Spacing by Jojo-Schmitz
It seems to be getting more complex. We can't cover every possible interpretation. Personally I like Marc's suggestion.
In reply to It seems to be getting more by xavierjazz
"least dislike" coves it better for me ;-)
In reply to This has always bugged me, by Marc Sabatella
I think (Am I wrong ?) that Spacing could also refer to "space" in Layout Page settings, and then be confusing using the same term no ?
In reply to I think (Am I wrong ?) that by Zynette
That was the possible issue raised a psots above. I do share that concern, but I would also observe that we *already* use "Spacing" for the style setting (Style / General / Measure), and that is really is the most natural term for this. It's unfortunate that this is also the term for what is between the lines of a staff, but again, that is really the most natural term for that as well.
As I mentioned, we did change from simply "Space" to "Staff space" in Layout / Page Settings some time ago. I think if we consistently use "Staff space" and "Spacing factor", we reduce the possibility of confusion - or maybe I should say, "Add less possibility of confusion" :-)
If we went this way, here is the list as I see it:
Style / General / Measure / Spacing
Layout / Increase Spacing Factor
Layout / Decrease Spacing Factor
Layout / Reset Spacing Factor
Measure Properties / Spacing factor
versus
Layout / Page Settings / Staff space
We *could* use "measure spacing factor" instead of simply "spacing factor". It might reduce possibility of confusion even more, plus it is a little more accurate - it only affects full measures, not selected ranges *within* measures.
In reply to That was the possible issue by Marc Sabatella
Add "measure" to all these strings may be more correct, but is also pretty verbose, and IMHO to long for a menu item.
In reply to Add "measure" to all these by Jojo-Schmitz
Menu size doesn't fit the oriinal language size ...?
I thought if a menu item was in the original language a lillte long then it would be more space for that item and when translating in "long letter" language (as often French does) , we would have also more freedom to translate
In reply to Menu size doesn't fit the by Zynette
It is not a matter of space, but of taste ;-)
In reply to It is not a matter of space, by Jojo-Schmitz
ok :-)
In reply to ok :-) by Zynette
Spacing factor is too technical to me. I would keep Stretch, it serves us well in 1.3. I do agree that "add less" is not good but add/increase or reduce/decrease are good candidate.
This PR would need to be adjusted. https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/1721
In reply to Spacing factor is too by [DELETED] 5
so what to pick then "add" or "increase" and "reduce" or "decrease"?
To me add/reduce seems better, even if increase/decrease seems technically more correct
Anyway, it is increase/decrease/reset stretch now
In reply to so what to pick then "add" or by Jojo-Schmitz
so we should modify the handbook that way ;)
http://musescore.org/en/node/35896#layout-stretch
In reply to so we should modify the by Zynette
done
thank you ;)