Bug.
When I add voltas to a section that has immediate dynamics, like fp, sfp, the notes after the dynamic go silent. Fix immediately. I am confused. Details in the pdf below.
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A PDF does not show details - it is just a picture of a score. Please post the actual score (.MSCZ or .MSCX file) and also say what verision of MS you are using, what operating system (Windows, Mac, Linux) and (if you can) the exact steps taken to cause the problem.
In reply to A PDF does not show details … by underquark
Sorry. I could have posted the .mscz file but it is a bigger file so I just showed it in pdf. The section after the fp in the upper staff is silent because it actually changes the velocity of the original dynamic or velocity. That happens when I put a volta in the section at the repeat. It is really frustrating for the composer, arranger, or listener. Needs to be fixed immediately. Is that a little bit more elaborated?
In reply to Sorry. I could have posted… by Nadine Hill
We can't fix if we can't reproduce. To reproduce a sample score showing the issue is needed
In reply to We can't fix if we can't… by Jojo-Schmitz
What do you mean by reproducing? Just curious. Thanks. Also, the problem is on MuseScore 3.5, and PLEASE note that the piano has two staves (grand staff) You will notice that after the dynamic that the right hand is almost silent and not in sync with the left hand until the second volta if I would edit notes in that. That is double trouble.
In reply to What do you mean by… by Nadine Hill
"to reproduce a bug"
To be able to see the same behavior on one's own machine.
If the developers can't recreate that situation, then they can't investigate it, nor verify whether a possible fix for it is actually working.
In reply to What do you mean by… by Nadine Hill
I've listened to your attachment and to me it plays back exactly as I'd expect given what you wrote.
Also note that this dynamics change has nothing to to with the volta at all, if you remove those you have the exact same playback effect.
In reply to I've listened to your… by jeetee
I add the volta and I compare it to when I do it without the volta, I get the playback. I really just want it fixed. That's all. All I know it that the left hand is louder than the right hand, which is supposed to be in sync. I know that there is a problem.
In reply to I add the volta and I… by Nadine Hill
Can you export audio from your score and attach that here?
As I said, all sounds perfectly ok to me. Both staves nicely start around mf do the crescendo and then go into piano. Just as notated.
Nothing goes silent at all.
In reply to Can you export audio from… by jeetee
If I put a piano dynamic (p) at the beginning of that section, it would barely even hear the right hand after the forte-piano (fp). I want it to crescendo from piano to forte and immediately, both hands go to piano in sync instead of left hand going silent with the left hand loud and clear. It is messed up.
In reply to If I put a piano dynamic (p)… by Nadine Hill
Hairpins and dynamics by default affect the entire part, both staves. You can change that via inspector to entire system or single staff
In reply to Hairpins and dynamics by… by Jojo-Schmitz
Apparently not.
In reply to Apparently not. by Nadine Hill
both dynamics and the hairpin are set to "Instrument" (the default), not to "Staff", so of course they do affect both staves of that piano instrument.
In reply to both dynamics and the… by Jojo-Schmitz
After the fp, they do not sound in sync and the right hand is too soft while the left hand sounds forte..
In reply to After the fp, they do not… by Nadine Hill
Not here
In reply to Not here by Jojo-Schmitz
Not where? Are you not reproducing or are you just not getting it?
In reply to Not where? by Nadine Hill
Not on my computer, IOW I can't reproduce
In reply to Not on my computer, IOW I… by Jojo-Schmitz
Is there any way we can help? Because my computer's bugging. This is MuseScore 3.5.
In reply to Is there any way we can help… by Nadine Hill
So far is is only you hearing that, 3 others don't.
In reply to So far is is only you… by Jojo-Schmitz
Quick question. Does MuseScore act differently depending on what computer you use? This is Windows 10 on an Acer Aspire. I do not know the model, but it sure is several years old before Win 10.
In reply to Quick question. Does… by Nadine Hill
I'm on Windows 7.
Usually the OS should not matter, but sometimes there are OS specific bugs, like fonts not showing properly on Windows 10, but everywhere else (fixed in 3.5), or a certain issue only being seen on macOS or on a certain Linux distribution.
Model and make almost never matter, except maybe for video or sound driver issues (like no sound at all, not the issue you're reporting here)
In reply to I'm on Windows 7. Usually… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks. Maybe things would change on the stable release.
In reply to I add the volta and I… by Nadine Hill
Attached is what I hear.
In reply to Attached is what I hear. by jeetee
I am just noticing that on the test.
In reply to I am just noticing that on… by Nadine Hill
Just noticing what on which test?
Do you hear the same as the mp3 I attached or not?
In reply to Just noticing what on which… by jeetee
Yes. What about in these situations on diminuendos? Boy, only if both those staves/hands are in sync.
In reply to Yes. What about in these… by Nadine Hill
Wait.. let's back up again.
So you have now confirmed that you hear for Test_1 the same as in the mp3 I attached, and we've already established that that is not a bug.
What you've shown in Test_2 is indeed unexpected to me. I hear the sfp take effect for the top staff, but the bottom staff for some reason isn't doesn't seem to be following.
I don't have the time to investigate more, but I would propose a workaround to get you going: add a normal piano marking instead, and add an accent on the first note. You could even go as far as making the accents invisible and changing the text of the piano marking using the special characters palette to also read sfp.
But a clearer minimal testcase about the effect of sfp in grand staff would be good to be able to file this for further investigation.
In reply to Wait.. let's back up again… by jeetee
Hmm, the sfp goes to a velocity of 112, then from there down by -47, so should be 65, so more of an mp (which has a setting of 64), the p a while later though is 49
So the sfp just doesn't go down enough it seems? Or rather goes to high, a f is 96, not 112, that would be an ff
Check the attached, with the sfp changed to 96, while keeping the -47
The hairpin BTW has a velocity change of 25, not sure how or whether that plays a role here too
I can't reproduce, see attached score
In reply to I can't reproduce, see… by Jojo-Schmitz
@ Nadine, Your file Test 1_0 plays properly on my computer. Personally, I don't think fp is the proper use in this case. fp is more of an accent than a stand alone dynamic used at the end of a hairpin. For the fun of it, I substituted mf for fp and put a p on the next note. Seemed more musical to me. Forte seemed too much.