Chords Play Automatically --- No!!!
Just updated MuseScore. To my horror, the chords are playing...making their own sound. It's a feature that is automatically on! No, no, no. By default it needs to be automatically OFF.
I've made hundreds of scores with little bands playing to help the jam group practice our songs. Now, there's this terrible chord noise disturbing the delicately created songs. Hundreds of them!
Please fix this "feature" or "bug" so that it is off by default. Pleeeeaase!
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I totally agree. I've already mentioned it in another post.
We could have it off by default for pre 3.5 scores and on for newer ones
We probably will have am easier way to disable it in 3.5.1
In reply to We could have it off by… by Jojo-Schmitz
For pre 3.5. That's the problem because I can't use all the work I've done.
Although it's not important anymore because I've gone to an earlier version and it works fine
Thank you
In reply to For pre 3.5. That's the… by josemariahern1
Although I couldn't say if it works the same way on scores created with version 3.5 because I haven't tested it
What I am proposing is adding a preference for the benefit of those users who do not wish to take advantage of the chord symbol playback on their older scores, to allow them to force it off. That way those who actually will appreciate and benefit from the feature can still get it automatically, those who for whatever reason wish not to hear it can turn it off. It's much better to have the default on, though, or else those - I believe the vast majority - who would have appreciated it may never even realize the feature is there.
In reply to What I am proposing is… by Marc Sabatella
That practice is the root of all evilness I find in all software around me. I know I'm in a tiny minority here, but I just hate it when new features are automatically turned on, instead of the developers just bragging about them and informing the users about new features. This particular case is not evil, but things like autocorrect and assuming the user writes in English are the really evil ones.
This is a horror show! I use chord symbols as finger position indicators, and suddenly, the chords of the chord symbols are playing on top of my score!
And to add insult to injury, the GUITAR chord symbols are voiced by a PIANO!!!??? Why on earth a piano voice for a guitar chord symbol?
And where do you turn this off? It's not listed as an instrument, not on the Inspector as a choice for the chord symbol, not in Preferences, not in the Mixer, not on the style page for chord symbols.
There are so many things wrong with this implementation, I'm really scratching my head here. like before this update, every score ever created would need the notes for the chord on the score to be heard if played, and so how does it make any sense to automatically turn this function on with no method to turn it off (that I can find anyway)?
And not seeing the guitar fretboard diagram piano voice in the mixer?
In reply to This is a horror show! I use… by agfrag
"And to add insult to injury, the GUITAR chord symbols are voiced by a PIANO!!!??? Why on earth a piano voice for a guitar chord symbol?"
Of course. So unexpected...
It's equivalent if a piano score that would make you hear chords with a guitar sound. What would be the reaction of the pianists?!
See: #308077: Chords playback: Guitar "Solo" templates with default guitar sound
EDIT: on other hand, why do you "use chord symbols as finger position indicators"? Finger position indicators, i.e. ? (in my understanding, it's noted such III, or V, etc.)
Can you give an example (image: few measures of one of your score, or score itself), I don't quite understand this use case.
In reply to "And to add insult to injury… by cadiz1
The reasons are/were:
BTW, also see #302714: Chord symbol playback: make global settings available in Edit Style dialog
And https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/6259
In reply to Then again it is quite… by Jojo-Schmitz
You can find all possible reasons and arguments, but none or all of them put together can withstand to an one and unique, perhaps too obvious, that guitarists expect chord symbols with a guitar sound, and not a piano sound!
In reply to You can find all possible… by cadiz1
Some may, others may not. I don't think that 100% guitarists expert Guitar chord sound.
In a Rock band yes, but otherwise not likely
Pianists may expect Guitar chord sounds too
Piano is a sane default. The only sane default. And fits some 90% of the expectations I'd guess, being the most used instrument for accompaniment. And it can get changed with relative ease
In reply to Some may, others may not. I… by Jojo-Schmitz
ok, but I play saxophone. I want to see the chord symbols on my chart for improvisation purposes, but I don't want to hear them - especially when trying to learn a new tune. Also, the chord voicings are very pedestrian, and the defaut piano sound has too much reverb. This automatic playing of the chord symbols altogether an totally annoying feature which I don't want or need. Is there an easy way of just turning to sound of the chords off (or on, if that's what someone else wants) ?
In reply to ok, but I play saxophone. I… by saxgrrrl
You can disable it pr change the sound. See the link to the handbook further up or down.
In reply to This is a horror show! I use… by agfrag
For the record, using chord symbol to mean something completely different was never a good idea for any number of reasons, now there is just one more :-)
To turn chord symbol playback off, use the Inspector, and the "Set as style" button ("S" icon) to do so globally for the score.
The sound is in the Mixer, as a subchannel of the instrument (expand the channel strip to see the subchannels).
As for why piano sound, see Jojo's response previously, but I would add this: in the vast majority of scores using chord symbols, the chords are not played by the same person that is reading the notes. That is, you might have a part for saxophone or voice that includes chords symbols. The chord symbols are not for the saxophonist or the vocalist, but for the accompanist, who often (but of course not always) will be a pianist. Piano and guitar are actually the one main exceptions to this, where it is at least possible the pianists or guitarist themselves might provide their own accompaniment. For piano that's pretty common. For guitar, it's somewhat less so - It's actually still quite likely the chords will be played by someone else in any music that actually has notes for the guitarist to play. But I do are it's worth making that exception anyhow.
Anyhow, here is my proposal for what we should do moving forward:
https://musescore.org/en/node/308844
That, plus change the defaults for guitar specifically to use guitar sound (all others continue to use piano).
In reply to This is a horror show! I use… by agfrag
I use chord symbols as finger position indicators
You mis use them for that purpose and now get the systems revenche
Hi tutti ;-) !
Here running MS 3.5.0
I went to change the chords playback (maybe by any chance..) from piano TO accordion (which is the instruments selection of my score - i.e. a standard piano score with right and left hand which properties are set to instrument = accordion).
Here is how it happened:
- from piano score, select "accordion" (...or whatever other wanted instrument); the score has already chords entered and noted with one note (for instance: Gm ; F ;...etc);
- select the first chord on measure #1 by clicking on it;
- right click on it / if wanted to modify all the scores chords, choose "Selection" and choose "all similar elements" to select all the chords in the score;
- right click on it again / in the dialog box, left click on "create the notes of the chord symbol"; then all the notes of the chords are displayed instead of the one note notation. Now, clicking on the chords name plays the accordions playback sound :-D !
Given as it is without "after sale service".
Have fun! Charlie
ps: any comment would be welcome as my experiment might be wrong!
In reply to Hi tutti ;-) ! Here running… by ledocq
In reply to Open the mixer Expand the… by jeetee
Thank you! That actually works!