Grand Détaché
Hello!
I'm trying to add this Grand Detache articulation (see image attached: it's like a staccato, but more energic, and pause & sound have their places swapped - first silence, then sound) to my score, but had no success.
edit: What I need is to make the articulation of the 5th+ measures be the same as the 3rd and 4th measures
Is it possible to do? How?
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Staccato is possible, as is beaming over a rest, so I don't see anything in that images what MuseScore can't do
In reply to Staccato is possible, as is… by Jojo-Schmitz
A simple Staccato is quite simple to obtain. The thing is this articulation is like an "inverted" staccato when it comes to the sound-silence order.
In reply to A simple Staccato is quite… by mcabreli
What do you mean by this? Are you suggesting this is some sort of standard conventions that means, for example, on a quarter note, to play it instead as an eight rest followed by an eighth note, rather than the other way around?
I have never heard of any such notation and don't see anything in your image to suggest that this is meant to convey anything other than a perfectly ordinary staccato. But then, the text is cut off at the top - maybe that's where the explanation is?
Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are suggesting?
In reply to What do you mean by this? … by Marc Sabatella
I'm adding the text in a new picture, I'll try to explain further on your other comment, Marc
edit: What I need is to make the articulation of the 5th+ measures be the same as the 3rd and 4th measures
In reply to edit: What I need is to make… by mcabreli
Why? That's now what's written there.
But you can, just shorten those dotted 8th notes to play 8th notes (and then beam the 16th rest, and move them up/down for the stems not becoming too long)
In reply to edit: What I need is to make… by mcabreli
Well, the only difference between those examples is the length of first note of each pair, and that note doesn't have any staccato marking in either example. So there is no way a staccto marking on the second note would normally be assumed to imply anything whatsoever about the length of the note before it. If for some reason we want to write what you see in measure 5 but have it sounds like what is written in measure three, you should add a staccato to the first not, that way both MsueScore and a human performer would understand the first note is also supposed to be short. Or if you believe the context is one in which people reading it would somehow understand that the first note is meant to be short even though not notated as such, you can make those staccato dots invisible. But unless something in the text that was cut off in this example is explaining that, I certainly would not assume anyone reading this music would interpret it that way.
In reply to Well, the only difference… by Marc Sabatella
As you can see in the text I previously failed to get in the picture, this section does explicitly call for this execution by adding the "Grand Détaché" indication in the beginning; it's a violin practical method.
I agree with you when you say it's "the only difference between those examples is the length of first note of each pair, and that note doesn't have any staccato marking in either example" - I failed to properly note that when I initially made my post. The 1st and 2nd measures are a warm up, the 3rd and 4th display are the to be executed as it's written, then the 5th+ measures are supposed to be articulated following the example on the 3rd and 4th measures. This whole section is a warm up / muscle memory exercise for Etude 13. At least that what I understand given the context on the explanatory text on the top of the page.
"you can make those staccato dots invisible" that's a good workaround. the only issue is that it's supposed to reduce 2/3 of the note, instead of 1/2.
Unless your text description for this etude explicitly calls for this non-standard behavior you shouldn't strive for it.
All I see is an etude that is teaching one how to play such a staccato end note, first by warming up with a normal 1/4th staccato, then by intersecting a preparation rest in between and finally with the real exercise. It's more of a muscle memory training intro than anything else imho.
In reply to Unless your text description… by jeetee
As you can see in the text I previously failed to get in the picture, this section does explicitly call for this execution by adding the "Grand Détaché" indication in the beginning; it's a violin practical method.
I agree with you when you say it's "It's more of a muscle memory training intro than anything else". The 1st and 2nd measures are a warm up, the 3rd and 4th display are to be executed as they are written, then the 5th+ measures are supposed to be articulated following the example on the 3rd and 4th measures. This whole section is a warm up / muscle memory exercise for Etude 13. At least that what I understand given the context on the explanatory text on the top of the page.
In reply to As you can see in the text I… by mcabreli
In that case you'd have to resort to the piano roll editor to shorten the duration of those dotted notes, or look at the articulations plugin from BSG which adds a panel to MuseScore to edit such information directly from within the score view.
In reply to In that case you'd have to… by jeetee
I'll try that. Thank you, jettee!
In reply to In that case you'd have to… by jeetee
The Piano Roll editor worked. Thank you, jeetee!
As per jeetee's suggestion, I tried the Piano Roll editor, and it was both an effective and elegant solution - exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks everyone for your time trying to help, it was much appreciated.