Lute tab failure
I haven't used this facility in MuseScore before but I'd like an alternative to Fronimo. At first attempt I've used the default string pitches except for moving string 3 to F#3. I've created linked staves, one guitar, one lute. The linking doesn't seem to work - it places F#3 and G3 on the top string and highlights them as out of range. What have I done wrong? Sample attached.
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You've made that F#3 (and the E4) an 'open' string, as such is doesn't participate in tablature
In reply to You'd made that F#3 (and the… by Jojo-Schmitz
I don't understand. Any string can be played open, lute or anything else, so it must be possible to notate it. I'm a guitarist and wanted to see what a guitar score would look like as tab so the linking was obviously useful to me. In some old music I've looked at the open third string is F#. It's not something I invented just to upset you.
In reply to I don't understand. Any… by Dougie
A string marked 'Open' can only get played open, it doesn't have any frets, can't play any other pitch.
I'm not upset at all, you just made a mistake, and I'm telling you about it, that's all.
In reply to A string markjed 'Open' can… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry, confusion arising from 'open string' meaning something quite different on guitar. Appreciate the help.
In reply to Sorry, confusion arising… by Dougie
Well, it means the very same thing on every plucked string instrument, only Guitars usually don't have those open strings.
(In the context of that dialog at least)
In reply to Sorry, confusion arising… by Dougie
I'd say the term "open string" is ambiguous. In the context of describing what you are playing at any given moment, a string that you didn't happen to put your left hand down on. In the context of designing an instrument, it means a string intended to only be played open. Since the string dialog is about the design of the instrument and not about which fingers you might happen to be playing at any given moment, it's sort of assumed that the latter definition applies, but the wording could definitely stand to be more explicit.
In reply to I'd say the term "open… by Marc Sabatella
Ambiguous term, because it contains two meanings, depending on whether it is for guitar (in the "current/modern/common" sense of "Open string") or for lutes with extra basses, which has nothing to do with it.
This feature is only for lutes with strings played outside the fingerboard (or a very few multi-strings guitars that "simulate" eg baroque lutes - 13 single strings) The only way to make things explicit (and I've said so many times) is to either remove this feature (it's really of little or no use, personally, I've never used it - @Miwarre wanted to do it too well!), or remove it from "String Data" and hide it very well somewhere else (in Preferences, or in the Advanced Style Properties), I don't know.
Also you used a Guitar, why not a Lute?
Linked staves are for one instrument, you can't link a Guitar normal staff to a Lute Tablature.
In reply to Alsi you used a Guitar, why… by Jojo-Schmitz
If you really want to do it this is no problem. The question is if it makes sense (if you want to write for baroque guitar you can leave the string data of the guitar and change the tab to lute tab or do it the other way round)
In reply to If you really want to do it… by wolfgan
Of course you can, that score proves it. But it doesn't make any sense
In reply to Of course you can, that… by Jojo-Schmitz
@Dougie: Another confusion (one more among dozens now) on the same theme.
This "Open string" column is only intended for instruments that have strings (basses) outside the fingerboard, such as baroque lutes or theorbo. See: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/tablature#mark-string-open
If you are a guitarist, forget about this column in "String Data", it's nothing but trouble.
In reply to Another confusion (one more… by cadiz1
It is the same for me.
I play Theorbo, Archlute, Baroque lute + Guitars with extra open Bassstrings but I never use the open string feature of the string-data. The only possible advantege is that you get rememberd if you enter a note you can´t play without retuning a bass-string (usualiy with a crash from musescore).
In reply to It is the same for me. I… by wolfgan
"if you enter a note you can´t play without retuning a bass-string (usualiy with a crash from musescore)."
Can you to be more precise, with a sample score and steps, which would lead to "usually with a crash from musescore" ?
In reply to "if you enter a note you can… by cadiz1
it was this
https://musescore.org/en/node/304784
but I was not able to reproduce it now. Maybe it has been solved in the meantime (and I didn´t notice because I have made all open strings fretable in the instruments xml)
In reply to it was this https:/… by wolfgan
See: #321767: Delete/rename/move/clarify the "Open" column of "String Data"