Adding a flat 5 or 9 to a chord
Hello, I have the problem that all "b"s that I enter into a chord gets transcribed into the flat-symbol "♭". Specifically I try to enter the chord Ab with a flat 5 as Abb5 which I'd like to get transcribes as A♭b5. It seems like this should be possible according to https://musescore.org/en/handbook/chord-symbols (I also tried the example on that page with "b9" as a suffix, but that also get transcribed as "♭9")
Or I'm wrong? Is the accurate transcription A♭♭5? (Which I would read as a A with dubbel-flat, and then get confused about the 5...)
/Mikael
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Write it as "Ab b5", Ctrl+Space for the blank
In reply to Write it as "Ab b5", Ctrl… by Jojo-Schmitz
Does not work for me, it becomes "A♭ ♭5" not "A♭ b5". Using this version:
OS: Windows 10 (10.0), Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.4.2.9788, revision: 148e43f
In reply to Does not work for me, it… by micsor
True, here too. But I believe that's what it should be, b is turned into flat, # into sharp
It's not really allowed by the "rules" of chord symbols to place an alteration like b5 directly after the root. Think about it - while in the case of an Ab chord you might be able to figure out that the two flats signs in a row (Abb5) mean the first goes with the A and the second goes with the 5, this wouldn't be apparent at all with, say, a B chord - Bb5 would be interpreted by pretty much everyone as Bb 5, not B b5.
So, the rule is, alterations like b5 have to follow a number, like Ab7b5. And indeed, in the vast majority of cases where a b5 or b9 occurs, a seventh is present. In the extremely rare cases where you wish to notate an actual triad with one of these alterations, simply enclose the alteration in parentheses.
In reply to It's not really allowed by… by Marc Sabatella
OK, good suggestion to use parenthesis and just live with the fact that all "b" become "♭". Thx!
In reply to OK, good suggestion to use… by micsor
I thought you said you wanted flat five. So why wouldnt you want the be turned into a flat? Not having the would just confuse readers even more than the non-standard chord symbol does to begin with.
Maybe it would help if you explained in broader terms what you are trying to do here. Can you give a real world example?
Hi. First timer and big MS appreciater. Thank you to all involved.
On MuseScore 3.6.2.548021803, Revision 3224f34 I would like to achieve a chord symbol for a simple A major with a flattened 5 (contains notes A, C# & E flat). Preferred on the chart would be "A(b5)" or "Amaj(b5)". Typing both these yields "A5b", i.e. the flat symbol is after the number. This will confuse all concerned. Is there a way to achieve one of my 2 preferred symbols?
In reply to Hi. First timer and big MS… by SlavTimeParty1
For me A(b5) is rendered as such and not altered; using the default standard chord symbol style.
In reply to Hi. First timer and big MS… by SlavTimeParty1
Indeed:
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In reply to Indeed: by Jojo-Schmitz
A(b5) and Amaj(b5) are the same as A5b. But different from Ab5
In reply to Hi. First timer and big MS… by SlavTimeParty1
What you describe might happen if using a score created originally in an extremely old version of MuseScore (eg, 1.1 or 1.2), as it might have a hard coded set of chords it recognizes. But any score create in the past seven years should be able to recognize pretty much whatever you type. If you continue to have trouble, please attach your score so we can investigate.