There's a noise
I reported this issue as a bug about two weeks ago.
However, it seems that all the people in charge of bugs were busy dealing with other issues, and the problem was not resolved.
So I decided to post on the forum to hear the opinions of everyone who participates.
The problem is in measure 20 of the attached file.
The musical pattern is the same as in measure 8, but there is a clicking noise on the one and a half beats into measure 20. I tried various things, such as separating the f and p notes and changing the decrescendo to a diminuendo, but the noise did not go away.
Could you please explain why this is happening?
| Attachment | Size |
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| TEST-20250816.mscz | 62.96 KB |
Comments
Duplicate of https://musescore.org/en/node/382095
In reply to Duplicate of https:/… by Jojo-Schmitz
There is no duplication.
I reported the bug, but it didn't work, so
I took Ivy's suggestion and posted on the forum.
(I believe that bug handlers and forum members are different people.)
In reply to There is no duplication. I… by Mr.RIO
As far as I can tell it is the same issue with the same.piece, brought up by the same person, so I can't see how that is not a duplicate.
But yes but handlers and forum members are indeed different people.
In reply to As far as I can tell it is… by Jojo-Schmitz
I want as many people as possible to hear this.
Because I'm sure there is noise.
Thank you in advance.
In reply to I want as many people as… by Mr.RIO
And that's what that other thread is about. Only that there nobody could reproduce the issue.
In reply to And that's what that other… by Jojo-Schmitz
This is probably because the click sound is small.
However, I think you can hear it clearly if you listen to it on YouTube.
The click sound can be heard at measure 115.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4i9yB1pLBY&list=RDM4i9yB1pLBY&start_ra…
In reply to I want as many people as… by Mr.RIO
You write that measure 8 and 20 are the same, but one sounds OK and the other no. If you look at measure 7-8 and compare them with measure 19-20 on the Bosson, you will see that they do not contain the same, ate least they are not written in the same way. This difference may cause a problem to the sound on your computer.
Look at the included pictures.
In reply to You write that measure 8 and… by puggbma
In measure 20 of Horn 2, there is a click on the first and a half beats, so as you pointed out, I linked it with a tie.
There is no problem with Horn 2 on its own, but a click sound occurs when played in an ensemble.
Incidentally, the transcription I attached today has an fp decrescendo as originally written.
In any case, a click sound occurs when played in an ensemble.
In reply to In measure 20 of Horn 2,… by Mr.RIO
I am not a professional musician and I do not know if you could remove the tie, and use the same notation your are written in measure 8, which seems to be OK. The problem with the "noise" can happen when the software tries to convert the .mscz file to .mp3 (or whatever format you use for output). The mathematical calculations done to convert measure 8 and measure 20 are probably not the same. My ears are maybe not so fine as yours, but when i load your score in MuseScore 4.5.2, i can not really hear a difference. Maybe your could try to export your score with different sound-formats, to see if the same problem happens.
In reply to I am not a professional… by puggbma
Yes, it's possible.
I used to be a system programmer for mainframes,
so I can imagine there could be problems during conversion.
But then, what should I do? Should I just give up?
In reply to Try disabling one instrument… by mercuree
As for 1, it's a bit of a down-to-earth method, but it seems worth a try, so I'll give it a go.
As for 2, I'm not sure what the purpose is. To investigate in detail, wouldn't a dump list of the main memory or audio analysis with an oscilloscope be necessary?
In any case, I'll only try 1. and will report the results.
In reply to As for 1, it's a bit of a… by Mr.RIO
Verification results for 1.
Since it's easier to listen to on YouTube, I tested it using the sheet music uploaded to YouTube.
The noise occurs on the one and a half beats of measure 116.
It seemed like there was noise in the Horn 1 part, so I copied 102-104 of that part and pasted it into 114-116, and confirmed that the noise disappeared. However, when I then published it to musescore,
I confirmed the noise in the same place in measure 116.
So, I went back to the sheet music and changed all the parts from 102-144 to 114-116. I uploaded it to musescore again and checked, but the noise in measure 116 had not disappeared.
Just to be sure, I sent it to YouTube, and the noise is exactly the same as before.
In conclusion, there doesn't seem to be any problem with the sheet music.
For reference, please check the content on YouTube.
There is noise on the one and a half beats of measure 116. (2 minutes and 48 seconds into the performance)
What we've had so far,
https://youtu.be/M4i9yB1pLBY
What we've changed today,
https://youtu.be/jQHYGGk06YU
In reply to Verification results for 1… by Mr.RIO
I can't hear a click but there is a sudden dynamic change at 2:48 so maybe it's masking the click as my ear adjusts from very loud to quiet. Does it still happen if you solo the instrument?
Is it still present if you export to .wav audio?
You could investigate by inspecting the file, (either .mp3 or .wav), in Audacity. You would expect to see a click as a visible line in the audio stream, (like an oscilloscope except that you can pause then zoom in to an area of interest).
In reply to I can't hear a click but… by yonah_ag
The horns are the suspect, so there is no noise when playing solo on Horn 1 and Horn 2.
The noise occurs when all instruments are played together.
In reply to The horns are the suspect,… by Mr.RIO
Try the Audacity route.
Is the noise present in a .wav file export?
In reply to Try the Audacity route. Is… by yonah_ag
I'm not sure if I can do it well.
It's my first time, so it will take some time.
It's getting late, so please go to bed.
I'll work on it in the meantime.
Good night.
In reply to I'm not sure if I can do it… by Mr.RIO
I was unable to confirm the noise.
(Background)
1. The time on YouTube and the time on musescore were different, so I checked and found that the musescore time was 2 minutes 43 seconds.
2. Exported the score's audio data to the desktop as an MP3.
Checked the icons for the entire score and each part (15 parts).
Played it in Media Player and confirmed the noise at 2 minutes 43 seconds.
3. Installed Audacity.
4. Copy and paste the entire data from step 2 into Audacity.
Only a volume graph was displayed, and no noise was shown.
However, noise was audible in this location.
I suspect that since this is a free trial version, it doesn't allow for spectral analysis, etc.
In reply to I was unable to confirm the… by Mr.RIO
There is no trial version of Audacity, it's free with all its features.
• Export a section of the score as .wav, not mp3. (A few bars either side of the click will be enough).
• Use import in Audacity to load the wav file. You should see a wave pattern of the sound with time on the horizontal axis.
• Listen for the click in Audacity, not in a separate media player.
• Try zooming the time axis to see the click.
• If there's no click then it could be an artifact of the mp3 processing. Maybe a higher bit rate would help.
In reply to There is no trial version of… by yonah_ag
Until now, when I used Audacity to make sheet music public in Musescore, it would automatically switch to the Audacity file registration screen, and then upload it to Musescore, so I thought
that it was being used as the sound for Musescore.
When I heard about Audacity from you, I opened the old version of Audacity and found a bunch of sounds from my song. It didn't seem to have any analysis system.
So I searched for Audacity online and installed it. It says it's a free trial version.
So now I have two copies of Audacity on my computer.
Maybe I didn't need to install a new one?