Changing key signature only on one staff
Hi, how do I change a key signature only on one staff. This piece is on D major. The key signature in the original score is empty (Horn in F). Is the score wrong? I included the screenshot of the score in MuseScore.
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If the Piece is in D-Major, it has 2 sharps. And a Horn in F in that has 3 sharps
If you want the Horn in F to show as C Major (no sharps of flats), the score needs to be in F major (one flat)
In reply to If the Piece is in D-Major,… by Jojo-Schmitz
I don't really understand about brass instruments, I'm actually a pianist (played for quite a long time), and since I really liked orchestral music, I started transcribing it. I always do it by using the original score. I'm confused because a piece in D major, on a Horn in F, has 3 sharps, but on the score it has no key signature. Each instrument was all the same (has the same key signature as the one on the original score), except for the Horn in F. I attached a screenshot of the original score here.
In reply to I don't really understand… by IndominusRex
In orchestral pieces, it is traditional for instruments that started without valves (or a slide) to be written without a key signature. This includes trumpets, French horns and coronets. Most of these instruments are transposing, but there were varieties that made it easier to play the particular instrument in the key of the song. Yes, D horns existed prior to in introduction of valved to horns.
Interestingly, there are actually horns that still exist that can have crooks (pieces of tube to change the pitch of the instrument) to put the French Horns in whatever key the song originally called for.
One thing to watch out for in the case of horns, is that prior to about 100 years ago, all horn music written in the Bass clef was written an extra octave lower. There was a transition of several decades and it's normal for horn music today to be written in the bass clef with the same transposition as the treble clef. As a result, I use the bass clef with the 8 above it for horn music that this applies to when writing in MuseScore.
Add by pressing "ctrl" the key signature "open/atonal" from the key signature palette.
In reply to Add by pressing "ctrl" the… by kuwitt
Will that change the key signature of the whole system?
In reply to Will that change the key… by IndominusRex
No, see: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/key-signatures#add-key-sig-to-one-s…
In reply to No, see: https://musescore… by kuwitt
OK, thanks a lot!
One more thing. How do I add a clef after the barline on the first note? (MuseScore will automatically put it before the barline)
In reply to One more thing. How do I add… by IndominusRex
It's easiest to select the note and double click the clef. You can drag the clef to the note, so it changes color and the measure stays white, but double click is easier.
In reply to It's easiest to select the… by mike320
It's still placed before the barline. What should I do?
In reply to It's still placed before the… by IndominusRex
Upgrade, It works fine in version 3.0.5. If your system is one with problems running 3.0.5, then in a week or two 3.1 will be released and it will be fixed there as well.
In reply to Upgrade, It works fine in… by mike320
My version is 3.0.0.4785. How can I upgrade it?
In reply to My version is 3.0.0.4785… by IndominusRex
Depends on your operating system (what's yours?), in general see: https://musescore.org/en/download
In general for your purpose see: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/clefs#mid-measure-clef
In reply to My version is 3.0.0.4785… by IndominusRex
Turns out I can't upgrade it yet because of a system error, maybe my Internet connection. Is there any way around this problem?
In reply to Turns out I can't upgrade it… by IndominusRex
You didn't mentioned your Operating System (Windows, Mac, Linux?).
Could you attache a screenshot of the system error?
In reply to You didn't mentioned your… by kuwitt
Sorry. My OS is Windows 64-bit, I attached the screenshot with a red arrow to indicate where I want the clef to be. It's not the first measure of a system.
In reply to Sorry. My OS is Windows 64… by IndominusRex
Repeats have their own special considerations, but the example you show works fie for me in 3.0.5, just add the clef to the first note of the measure instead of to the measure itself. As of 3.1, it may also be the case that adding it to the measure will produce this effect automatically.
In reply to Repeats have their own… by Marc Sabatella
I'll try to upgrade as soon as possible. Thanks.
In reply to Sorry. My OS is Windows 64… by IndominusRex
We need exactly the error message of the system error, when you try to install MS 3.0.5 or 3.1 beta (but be aware I'm using Linux, so my knowledge about Windows is a little bit outdated ;). It won't work with a previous MuseScore version as 3.0.0.
In reply to We need the exactly error… by kuwitt
Here it is.
In reply to Here it is. by IndominusRex
If there's no better reply: See the comment from @Jojo, maybe the updater won't work, if you've installed MuseScore via the Window store (?). Try to reinstall the last released version from the link above or install MuseScore 3.1 beta: https://musescore.org/en/3.1beta.
In reply to My version is 3.0.0.4785… by IndominusRex
Is it the Windows store version? Every other would tell you that there is an update available and ask whether you want it.
In reply to Is it the Windows store… by Jojo-Schmitz
Maybe it is. I haven't upgraded my Windows for a while now.
In reply to Maybe it is. I haven't… by IndominusRex
And is this possible? I attached the picture below.
In reply to And is this possible? I… by IndominusRex
Is what possible?
In reply to And is this possible? I… by IndominusRex
I don't see anything that is not possible
In reply to I don't see anything that is… by Jojo-Schmitz
The D flat (the top note) does not produce any sound. Is the score wrong? Isn't it outside the playing range of a Celesta?
In reply to The D flat (the top note)… by IndominusRex
So actually in real life, I would be able to play that top note? (Assuming I can get to play a Celesta)
In reply to So actually in real life, I… by IndominusRex
Tho composer was probably writing for an orchestra that had a celesta that could play the note. I'm no expert on celestas, but there are no doubt varieties of celestas with different ranges just as there are with other instruments like pianos, marimbas, bassoons... If you want to hear the note played, you can change sound fonts. I've found many situations where the default MuseScore sound fonts do not make sounds when the notes are outside of the "range" of the instrument, but other soundfonts play notes. It's all a matter of how the soundfont was made.
In reply to The D flat (the top note)… by IndominusRex
I don 't see any D flat, not any flat actually, just sharps and naturals.
If if is outside the playable range, MuseScore should color it yellow(ish) or red
In reply to I don 't see any D flat by Jojo-Schmitz
The default sound font and instruments definition don't always agree.