Score plays fine in 3.0, 3.1, fails online
No need to include MS version; this score works properly in both 3.0 and the 3.1 nightly mac build. When loaded online however, https://musescore.com/bsg/scores/5573100 , all the parts go silent except the harpsichord. When I mute the harpsichord, all the other parts come back (in the online). This is very frustrating, because I can't duplicate it offline or even hypothesize what the problem might be. You can look at the score online and download it and try to figure out what the problem is.
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So this seems a musescore.com issue, right? You know where those need to go, don't you? ;-)
In reply to So this seems a musescore… by Jojo-Schmitz
No, I don't believe it is. It is some kind of version compatibility issue. They are running some version of MuseScore, and it is misbehaving, not the web site. The Web site posted it as I asked, but it does not play as i asked. I would be happy if you or someone else on .org looked at what is uploaded there and said, "oh, that's using the fljfeifewofh sound font; try changing werdefwe if the synthesizer panel." But even that can't be, because without the harpsichord, all the parts are fine. I do think this is an app issue, but if i could debug it further, I'd tell you what the problem is.
In reply to No, I don't believe it is. … by [DELETED] 1831606
I suppose I should post it there anyway, but the chances of a timely, useful response is not encouraging, and I would not be surprised if they said that this was an app problem.
In reply to No, I don't believe it is. … by [DELETED] 1831606
Hold on, did you save that score with 3.1 and then upload it with 3.0? This indeed can introduce a compatibility problem, esp. if you loaded the enhanced soundfont in 3.1, so all/most instruments automgically change to the the 'Expr:' variant of their channels to support single note dynamics. But then it won't play in 2.0 anymore either...
And sure enough: it doesn't play for me locally in 3.0.5. And opening the Mixed shows "Expr." all over the place, except for Harpsichord, which an't do single notes dynamics.
Not a bug, musescore.com is not yet on 3.1
Workaround: View > Synthesizer > Dynamics > To Non-Expressive, then Save Online
In reply to Hold on, did you save that… by Jojo-Schmitz
No, THREE point o and THREE point 1.
In reply to No, THREE point o and THREE… by [DELETED] 1831606
sorry, typo on my side
In reply to No, THREE point o and THREE… by [DELETED] 1831606
Ja, ich sehe. CHANNELS. The Harpsichord goes into Port 2. because it ran out of channel numbers. I might be able to reassign channels, but I'm pretty sure that's what the problem is, and that's why the site can't hack it. But it hacks orchestral scores with very many instruments without problem.
In reply to Ja, ich sehe. CHANNELS. The… by [DELETED] 1831606
Nope, I can't reassign the channels. The damned string instruments take up three channels each, and there are five of them (vn, vn, vla, vc, cb). The problem has to do with the harpsichord being on "port 2" silencing port 1 somehow. I have to re-reporduce it (I clobbered my best score, but I can retrieve from online). What a mess.
In reply to Nope, I can't reassign the… by [DELETED] 1831606
The underlying score was originally created in Version 2, but was upgraded to 3.
In reply to Nope, I can't reassign the… by [DELETED] 1831606
that should work though
In reply to Hold on, did you save that… by Jojo-Schmitz
AH. Ok, will try and report. I bet this will kill a lot of scores.
In reply to AH. Ok, will try and report… by [DELETED] 1831606
it should nt once 3.1 got released and installed in musescore.com too
I think we got it: https://musescore.com/bsg/scores/5571862 (different score), but it would be so wonderful if online scores could be played from other than the beginning (breakage du jour). I changed the instruments to non-Expr ones, and did a general reset and "to non expr" (maybe that does the same thing) in the Synth. So the bottom line is not to try to upload 3.1 scores until unless you do this to them? I don't understand why the harpsichord changes whether the expr's in the other parts matter.
In reply to I think we got it: https:/… by [DELETED] 1831606
And I was correct bringing it here ....
In reply to And I was correct bringing… by [DELETED] 1831606
Yes
In reply to Yes by Jojo-Schmitz
:)
In reply to I think we got it: https:/… by [DELETED] 1831606
3.1 score shouldn't be the problem, as long as there you're not yet using that enhanced soundfont?
In reply to 3.1 score shouldn't be the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Why did it choose the enhanced soundfont? I didn't ask it to. What is the quickest way to see if it is in use? Why did the harpischord make it turn incompatible?
In reply to Why did it choose the… by [DELETED] 1831606
There is no such thing as an enhanced harpsichord since you can't change dynamics in the middle of a note.
In reply to There is no such thing as an… by mike320
I understand that. I own a harpsichord, but it doesn't make any other instruments in my house go silent when I play it. The observed effect was that the expr'ed instruments worked just fine on the web site, but when i added the harpsichord (clavicembalo senza espresso), the other instruments went silent (clavicembalo aggressivo).
In reply to Why did it choose the… by [DELETED] 1831606
Is it installed? Is it the default, i.e. on top of the list in Synthesizer?
In reply to Is it installed? Is it the… by Jojo-Schmitz
MuseScore General sf3? That is the only one in the ms3.1.
In reply to MuseScore General sf3? That… by [DELETED] 1831606
I knew I was pointing out the obvious, but I thought the connection might be being missed.
When I've created scores in 3.1 I've always uploaded custom audio to assure playback is correct. I know the single note dynamics have not yet been added to the website.
In reply to I knew I was pointing out… by mike320
That's a great idea! Why do I not see the "custom audio" checkbox on my upload dialog?
In reply to That's a great idea! by [DELETED] 1831606
Because MuseScore_General.sf3 is the default soundfont
In reply to Because MuseScire_General… by Jojo-Schmitz
So why the espresso machine did it install "expr"s on my instruments (or did it switch sf's when I removed them)?
In reply to So why the espresso machine… by [DELETED] 1831606
Not sure, might be the new default for 2.1, and maybe that also falls back properly to non-expr. if no suitable soundfont is available, but 3.0.x does not?
Seems a backwards compatibilty problem that may need to get resolved before 3.1 gets released. We really won't want scores from 3.1 to not playback in 3.0.
In reply to Not sure, might be the new… by Jojo-Schmitz
Do you mean "want", (and 3.1) ....i hope....yes, this needs to be solved.
In reply to Do you mean "want", ....i… by [DELETED] 1831606
darn typos...
In reply to That's a great idea! by [DELETED] 1831606
I always see it, but I have another sound font listed first. Perhaps you can trick MuseScore by listing a soundfont first that will be easy to recognize in the mixer (perhaps one of your organ sound fonts?). You will then need to double check which sounds are assigned in the mixer when you tell the synthesizer to use espr instruments.
In reply to I always see it, but I have… by mike320
Or even by 'changing' the settings to use MuseScore_General.sf3...
In reply to I always see it, but I have… by mike320
I don't ever do this, but in the three dots to edit the score there is a "Manage audio sources" option. You should be able to upload an MP3 made from the score that sounds right even if it has the default sound font. This shouldn't be a necessary workaround, but it currently is possible.
In reply to I don't ever do this, but in… by mike320
?? Do you mean is not possible? The ban on allowing arbitrary MP3's to be uploaded is a pillar of the intellectual property protection/copyright enforcement strategy of the site.
In reply to ?? Do you mean is not… by [DELETED] 1831606
I mean it should be possible, but I have not tested it to prove one way or the other.
This is a workaround because you can't use the program to do this.
In reply to I mean it should be possible… by mike320
There is nothing under "Audio Sources" except "add YouTube track."
In reply to There is nothing under … by [DELETED] 1831606
Send to youtube is the option below Manage Audio Sources. Click Manage Audio Sources to see the option to upload a custom audio. I guess my words were confusing.
In reply to Send to youtube is the… by mike320
If you click "Manage audio sources" it offers "add an audio track", and if you click that, it asks for a youtube url, and nothing but. I see nothing about uploading audio ... what am I not seeing?
In reply to If you click "Manage audio… by [DELETED] 1831606
Oh, you're talking about the dialog in the app, I guess, then, yes.
In reply to If you click "Manage audio… by [DELETED] 1831606
I didn't click the Add an audio track button because in the past it allowed you to upload an MP3. I really don't remember the last time I followed this link. This seems to be another stupid change made to the website that reduced capabilities for the user.
In reply to MuseScore General sf3? That… by [DELETED] 1831606
Hmm, OK, that is not the extension, installed via resource manager, that is called MuseScore_General_HQ.sf3
Thanks for the report, I think I have fixed this.
In reply to Thanks for the report, I… by TheOtherJThistle
Do you have a build for it? Perhaps BSG could test it with his score to see that it's fixed.
In reply to Do you have a build for it?… by mike320
It'd be hard to test, because I changed all the instruments to non-espresso versions (melody: C A F E -- D E C A F), so I wouldn't know what to change back to "break it"....I don't know how it got the espresso versions in the first place... I think we have to hear what the change was ....
In reply to Thanks for the report, I… by TheOtherJThistle
!!!?!??! In light of all the above discussion, what was the chosen solution, and does it have release implications?
In reply to !!!?!??! In light of all the… by [DELETED] 1831606
Sorry for the short message. I implemented single note dynamics. I have found a fix for the actual code that means you won't have to do anything and your scores should upload online fine. I'll make a PR and an issue and post it here.
In reply to !!!?!??! In light of all the… by [DELETED] 1831606
See #289298: Score plays fine in 3.0, 3.1, fails online.