explode implode for voices

• Oct 3, 2012 - 15:32

Is there any plugin for explode/imploding into voices?
IOW
If I have a staff with 3 voices and I explode it I should get the 3 voices separated into 3 staffs
Conversely I should be able to put together 3 staffs into a single 3-voice staff

This is like the plode plugin http://musescore.org/en/project/plode except that its 'voiced' rather than 'chorded'.


Comments

I don't think there is anything like this currently, but there has been discussion of extending the existing plugins this way. I'm holding off until the new plugin framework is settled and solid - meaning it will be for 2.0, not 1.2. But if someone wants to try their hand at updating the 1.2 plugin, be my guest!

Meanwhile, this this recent discussion: http://musescore.org/en/node/17233

In reply to by underquark

Thanks for doing this.
I was thinking of trying my hand myself...

Anyhow here's what I need: Surely there are facilities/features already existing that I dont know about or how to use so mentioning.

Usually this comes about in entering piano music I find it quite hard to enter multi-voiced music.
For genuine voices the problems are less because all the voices always exist (and have rests when silent)
For piano music mostly there are chords and sometimes one note holds longer than the others so voices get used.
When this happens at a point that is not a bar-start, rests need to be put in. The rests usually hide behind the other notes and I sometimes have to delete them to just get at the rest. And then the voice 'auto-shifts' in a way that is surprising: ie say I want to enter voice-2. So I select voice 2 then go into note-entry (not noticing that its for some reason gone back to voice 1) then enter something and end up deleting something in voice 1. Ive realised that I need to do select note-entry and voice-number in that order and not the other way round. I know but my fingers somehow dont!!

What I really need is a feature like this:
Right-click note
Change voice to nn

All in all I thought it would be most efficient to enter all the voices separately and then collapse them when done.

So any tips on how to do this will be great!

In reply to by Rusi_

If you searchthe forums, you'll find a number of threads discussing the possibility of "changing voice" of an existing note. In general, it wouldn't work nearly as well as you might at first imagine, because many real world situations just wouldn't lend themselves to that (what to do about notes already in the other voice, how to enter notes in voice one in the first place if it doesn't enter at the same time as a note n that vocie, tc). No doubt, there are certain situations where that could save a keystroke or two, but it doesn't solve e general problem. There is no way to get around the fact that the best way to enter multi-voice music is by entering the nites directly in to the correct voices. 2.0 contains a few features designed to make this easier, most notably the fact that rests now automatically offset themselves vertically.

Meanwhile, to get at a rest that is stuck behind another note, the easiest thing to do in my experience is to click the note, ctrl up or down down to move it an octave, then you can double click the rest and arrow it into position, or - if it happens to be one of the special musocal situations where hiding the rest is appropriate (and these are not as common as some might think) - mark it invisible.

As for the voice being reset to 1 each time you enable note entry, I too am caught by that occasionally, and wouldn't mind seeing tht behavior changed. Mostly, though,yu get used to it and stop making tht mistake the longer you work with MuseScore.

In any case, I think it will turn out to be mostly about practice. Entering complex multi-voice piano music does take thought, and it's tricky with any program. But I don't think the approach of entering the voices on separate stves then merging them is likely to prove better in the long run.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

The change-octave trick looks neat -- will try it next time.

As for the issues about changing voice of a note:
-- there are any number of times musescore simply refuses to do what I ask so in all the problem cases it could do just that -- refuse!

-- in general if we had a 'macro' facility, what is needed is (given a selected note n):
a. Delete n
b. Change to next voice
c. Note-enter n
d. Change back to first voice

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