Removing bars
What is the best way to enter music based on chant, where all the bars are of indeterminate length? Basically, I want to write without time signatures and to put in a bar line only where I want a break in the music. I am arranging for a small unaccompanied choir in an Orthodox church. So far, I have no experience of using MuseScore.
Martin
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Use MuseScore 3.
checks from everything you don't want to see (time signature, barlines and so forth)
As you insert notes using ctrl+shift, a little blue + will appear at the end of the measure that doesn't match the time signature. Don't worry, this is informational and will not print.
In reply to Use MuseScore 3. Right… by mike320
Or use Lilypond for this specific need.
In reply to Or use Lilypond for this… by frfancha
Heretic! :=)
In reply to Or use Lilypond for this… by frfancha
The only notation software I've ever used is MuseScore. I looked at a couple of other free/open source programs, but they were so complicated I decided to use MuseScore.
In reply to Use MuseScore 3. Right… by mike320
Thank you for this response and advice. Unticking 'Show barlines' seems to make no difference. I have found the difference between nominal and actual counts in a measure. You have to know how many you want and you get rests that fill up the bar. I just want to put in notes and adda barline from time to time.
I will look at Lilypond.
In reply to Thank you for this response… by mjchadwick551
MuseScore 3 makes this easier.
In reply to Thank you for this response… by mjchadwick551
As mentioned the timewise note input mode should make it easy, see: https://musescore.org/en/node/278675
In reply to As mentioned the timewise… by kuwitt
You can also ctrl+drag a barline to split a measure.
In reply to You can also ctrl+drag a… by mike320
Better ctrl+shift and dragging the barline?
In reply to Better ctrl+shift and… by kuwitt
You are correct. You have to press ctrl+shift to drag the barline and make the measure split.
In reply to Better ctrl+shift and… by kuwitt
? Shift should not be needed, just Ctrl. I just tried with both the released version and a current build and it works fine for me.
In reply to ? Shift should not be… by Marc Sabatella
both seem to work. IDK why ctrl didn't work for me after kuwitt "corrected me" perhaps I was pressing something else, probably just shift which absolutely doesn't work.
In reply to ? Shift should not be… by Marc Sabatella
I'm confused, we're talking about "cloning" an existing barline inside the score, don't we? In this case ctrl and drag'n drop doesn't work for me, but as mentioned ctrl+shift and drag'n drop the barline onto the note to split the measure before.
In reply to I'm confused, we're talking… by kuwitt
I'm talking about adding a barline from the palette. Ctrl+drag splits the measure. I wasn't aware cloning would work to split a measure also, but I guess it kind of does by accident, since the real trigger for splitting a measure is Ctrl, and cloning via Ctrl+Shift by definition has Ctrl.
In reply to I'm talking about adding a… by Marc Sabatella
But adding it from the palette there's no need to press "ctrl" or anything else, just dragging it onto the note head.
In reply to But adding it from the… by kuwitt
That won't split the measure though, but only pretend to, visually
In reply to That won't split the measure… by Jojo-Schmitz
I see, but wonder if this a feature or a bug (is there any reason to add a "only pretend to" barline?).
In reply to I see, but wonder if this a… by kuwitt
Absolutely, I've seen score where certain instruments had the "fake" barlines to clarify what's in the measure while others have no idea they exist.
In reply to Absolutely, I've seen score… by mike320
Okay, there seems to exist reasons.
Above I don't think, duplicate an existing barline inside the score via ctrl+shift is a kind of accident. In the same way it's possible to clone a text element, a key signature, a time signature (latter only into empty measures) and maybe other elements too.
In reply to Okay, there seems to exist… by kuwitt
I agree the ctrl+shift is a harmless byproduct of other functions.
In reply to Okay, there seems to exist… by kuwitt
It's not an accident that cloning a barline is possible; it's an accident that it happens to split the measure. It only does that because cloning requires you to press Ctrl. You can actually defeat that - press Ctrl+Shift, start the drag, then release Ctrl before dropping. Now you'll find that since Ctrl wasn't pressed at the moment of the drop, you don't get the split behavior after all. This demonstrates that the split is all about whether Ctrl was pressed at the moment of drop, it has nothing to do with cloning per se.
BTW, I notice that if you add a mid-measure barline without Ctrl - thus not splitting the measure - it doens't seem possible to delete it?
In reply to It's not an accident that… by Marc Sabatella
I recall seeing that before. Sounds like a bug. There was a barline issue that was being worked on that I expected to fix it. I'm no longer sure which issue it was now.
In reply to It's not an accident that… by Marc Sabatella
Because the deleting-issue, yes it seems to be a bug.
Note: and a regression ;-).
In reply to Because the deleting-issue,… by kuwitt
I was vague. That's what I meant @kuwitt.
In reply to I was vague. That's what I… by mike320
See also: #281821: Mid-measure barline from the palette isn't deletable