How do I use a pitch bend to get a *downward* bend?
Using the pitch bend feature that says "full," how can I achieve a downward bend that starts on the note on the staff, and then bends downwards? No matter how I edit the bend in the "bend properties," the bend always goes up in pitch.
For context, I am attempting to make a jazz sort of pitch bend on the trumpet, in which the player bends down, and back up.
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Up to me, MuseScore doesn't play those symbols... Yet.
Guitar bend always works to upwards.
![bend.png]( "bend.png")
The strings do not allow the bend to go down physically.
But it is possible to start with the up and then go down.
Note: Due to an unresolved bug, you may hear the range of the guitar bends only half that which should be.
2 = 1, 1 = 1/2 etc. #68456: Bends are out of tune
In reply to Guitar bend always works to… by Ziya Mete Demircan
How come I cant find the bend graph in my program? even when I go to properties I just find a limited x-y bend property which only moves the bend icon left right, up and dow
So yes, the trick is to silence the notated note, and add the end note as an invisible note with the bend starting up.
In reply to So yes, the trick is to… by jeetee
yep. I'm not sure it is worth it in my case.
In reply to So yes, the trick is to… by jeetee
Actually, I've found another one, which was pretty useful for me: You can turn the pitch of your note to -200,00.
Then use bend starting upwards if you would like to simulate a downward, or just bend up if your goal was to start down and rise (which was what I wanted to do).
The bend symbol you are using is only meant for guitar, BTW. The normal fall symbols are on the Arpeggios & Glissandi palette. You can edit the shapes of the predefined ones.
In reply to The bend symbol you are… by Marc Sabatella
Dear Sir , It will be nice to have a bend like a glissendo to make the rise effective on string instruments (violins, etc.. )
In reply to Dear Sir , It will be nice… by gondardgeorge
Use a glissando using portamento style
In reply to Use a glissando using… by Jojo-Schmitz
Well, it will never sounds as a progressive ( rise) glissando ...
In reply to Well, it will never sounds… by gondardgeorge
You'd need an additional crescendo
In reply to Well, it will never sounds… by gondardgeorge
Yes, it does, if you use a sound library that supports it. MS Basic and other soundfonts can simulate this for basically any instrument through digital manipulation. Muse Sounds supports it for the specific notes on the specific instruments where they happened to have sampled it.
In reply to Yes, it does, if you use a… by Marc Sabatella
I think Marc was typing very quickly here. I assume that when he writes
"... MS Basic and other soundfonts can simulate this for basically instrument you digital manipulation",
he means
"MS Basic and other soundfonts can simulate this for basically all instruments through digital manipulation"
Or something else.
In reply to Marc was typing very quickly… by AndreasKågedal
Yes, exactly, sorry for the confusion - fixed now!
In reply to The bend symbol you are… by Marc Sabatella
Wind instruments, such as a flute or a saxophone, typically bend downward, or dip and rise back up.
A fall followed by a scoop sounds weird.
We need a customizable bend tool that natively supports such wind instruments, within MSBASIC sound. (The sound fonts do not upload when the score is published, and some are too resource intensive to use on a laptop).
Unfortunately, the guitar bend tool (with pre-bend) used to work for me, but now it does not.
![Bend properties.jpg]( "Bend properties.jpg")
The customization grid now looks like this:
or this:
![Bend 2 properties.jpg]( "Bend 2 properties.jpg")
and I am unable to move the points on the grid. The grid is locked to its default shape.
I seem to be out of options.
I have several exciting scores that I cannot publish because, without playing back with bends, they sound uninteresting.
OS: Windows 10 Version 2009 or later, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore Studio version (64-bit): 4.5.2-251141402, revision: ac9d3bc
In reply to Wind instruments, such as a… by dddiam
A customizable bend tool for winds would be nice indeed. But it definitely shouldn’t be limited to how it works for guitar since that notation isn’t understood by wind players. Really, there is no good standard for notating specific bends on wind instruments, which is part of the problem that would need to be addressed first.
BTW, I think you might confused regarding sound libraries - when you publish a score from in MuseScore Studio, it definitely uses the same sound as the playback itself - including whatever sound libraries you have set up. Only if for some reason you resort to trying to upload a file via a web browser instead of publishing normally are you stuck with the default soundfont.
Also, I suspect you sell yourself short - and your listeners and the musicians who might want to play your scores. If your music has value - which I am sure it does - it surely does even if bends don’t play as you would like. So you certainly have the option of sharing your music with the world even without bends playing as intended.
In reply to A customizable bend tool for… by Marc Sabatella
Hi Marc,
Thanks for clarifying the upload of soundfonts. I did not know that uploading from the browser behaved differently from uploading from MuseScore Studio.
I would like to ask the developers to consider developing a bend tool for wind instruments. The notation could simply be a spline above the staff that follows the contour of the custom bend. The word "bend" could be added.
I could continue to use the guitar bend tool with pre-bend and note pitch offset. But it seems to have stopped working. Perhaps because it is a flute rather than a guitar.
For the moment, I would be happy with just a workaround solution.
Thank you for your kind words about my music.
Peace & Light,
dmdiam
In reply to Hi Marc, Thanks for… by dddiam
I dioon't think it is our place to invent new music notation - the challenge will be in doing the research to understand best practices in this area among established composers and publishers. Even if there is no one standard, there are probably notations that musicians accustomed to doing contemporary / experimental music are most familiar with.
The guitar tool indeed only works for guitar and instruments that actually use that notation.
In reply to I dioon't think it is our… by Marc Sabatella
This is more about accurately representing the sound of an instrument during playback than about notation.
If we have the capability to reproduce the sound, then the individual composer can determine how they want to notate it,
If we can playback the nuances of the music, then that, in itself, is valuable non-written notation. Much in the same way that a conductor brings out an orchestral arrangement with his or her hands. We can hear the results, even if we can't notate them.
The music comes first. Music theory and notation evolve in an attempt to explain the music. I suggest that accurate playback is the most important part of communication to the musician. We are in a multi-media age, expanding beyond flat sheets of paper. MuseScore provides what a sheet of paper cannot.
IMHO,
David D.
In reply to This is more about… by dddiam
The "nuances of the music" are the responsibility of the performer. The composer can't hope to notate every nuance (although Mahler gives it a good go). If you want it to sound "realistic" give it to some real players and let them demonstrate their musicality. One of the joys of composing is when players find a new interpretation.
In reply to This is more about… by dddiam
MuseScore is notation software first and foremost. So solving the notation problem is job one. Then human performers can play the score as you intend, and then work can also begin on how to design computer-simulated playback. Which of course is a nice secondary thing to have as well.
In reply to MuseScore is notation… by Marc Sabatella
Steve, Marc,
I agree with both of you. I think though that there is room for all needs to be met. I could show someone how I play something, and then they can show me a creative alternative. But I understand also that complexity in notation crowds out interpretation. Even in software, such as a word processor or MuseScore, it is often difficult to understand and navigate the plethora of features. Simpler is often better. I guess that there is no perfect answer to anything. All things must grow organically.
Here is something a little off topic, but fun to speculate about:
We are probably not far from an AI interpretive playback button. I could type to the AI, "Imagine you are doing a ballroom slow waltz dance. Interpret the music accordingly." A bit in the future though. For now AI music is primitive and terrible. But look how far AI painting and videos have come.
I am never threatened by AIs. They will never replace humans (including artists). But they make fun companions, sharing this wonderful world of experience and interaction.
David D. (in a playful mood)