Da Capo and voltas

• Aug 15, 2019 - 18:08

Hi all,

another question about the way MS plays voltas, this time when it has to jump Da Capo.
MS plays as follows:
First pass -> B1-E1-B1-E2-B2 (as expected)
Da Capo -> B1-E2-B2 ( ??? )

I'd like to ask three question:
1) Would a musician play the score the same way?
2) If not, how would the musician play it?
3) How can I make MS play the whole score as B1-E1-B1-E2-B2 - B1-E1-B1-E2-B2 using voltas and Da Capo?

Thank you for help.


In reply to by Shoichi

Thank you for the hint, it works, even though not in all conditions.
In this case, for example, it doesn't:
The presence of a preceding Right Repeat Barline prevents MS from playing the score as expected.
Removing that barline obviously changes the first part of the score but lets MS play the repeats and DS correctly.
Can this be considered a bug or there's some other parameter to set?

In reply to by nisantmail

This is a known issue in DS and DC. I've explained the workaround before.
see: https://musescore.org/en/node/284214

Put a section-break to the same measure as the DS.
Right-click on Section-Break. and select "Section-Break properties"
Then, remove all ticks and set the pause time to 0.

Be sure to include section-break to DC and DS in such complex situations.

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As an old musical tradition, repeats aren't played after Da-Capo and Segno returns (and continue to last Volta, if present.)
Since there is a lot of request before, "Play Repeats" option is added to the Inspector for Segno and Da-Capo (from version 2.x). // it's un-ticked by default, for historical/traditional reasons.

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

Thank you for clarification.
What surprises me is that the musicians that invented tools like Voltas, Da Capo, Dal Segno and so on to make the score more readable, compact and easily memorizable, decided to give them only partial applicability (don't repeat voltas after DS, for example).
Anyway, today's music, expecially songs, with their specific structure, extremely different from classical music and reach of choruses and refrains, takes great advantage of a complete application of those tools.
So I think that using them completely or even improve them (I'm thinking about possible nested repeat sections symbols, for example) could make the musical notation even more effective.

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

What I understood of musical notation (also helped by MS practice) is that conscutive right repeat barlines all refer to the last left repeat barline preceding them.
So, the notation prevents any possibility of nested repeats (in the process iteration meaning of the term "nested").
That's the reason why I was thinking of a new symbol in musical notation symbol set to make this possible.
I guess musical notation wasn't born in one day, so improvements have been made and accepted ... when needed and useful, of course ... :-)

In reply to by nisantmail

As explained above, if you prefer a non-traditional interpretation, you can have it - you just need to check a box. Musicians invented these terms and and the behavior in order to explain what music commonly does. It's not just int he ancient past that forms like AABA were common - they remain so today. That's why even today the standard defaults interpretation remains to not take the repeats on the DS/DC. if you want a human musician to take the repeat, they need to be told explicitly via the text "(take repeats)"; if you want MuseScore to take it, you need to the check the box. It would be doing people a disservice if MuseScore tried to reinvent music notation and play repeats on DS/DC automatically when human musicians don't.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

If I've correctly understood what you wrote, there is a standard form (explicitly write "take repeats" on the score) to tell the human musician to play the bars the same way even after a DS/DC jump.
So, it seems to me that the check box "Play repeats" just filled the gap between old MS versions playback behaviour and the standard notation accepted by musicians.
Anyway, if "take repeats" wasn't specified, I'd like to know which ending the human musician would play.
1. or 2. ?
Thank you for clarification.

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