turn with sharp

• Aug 18, 2019 - 09:59


How to enter the turn with a sharp as shown in the attachment?

Thanks and regards,

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In reply to by alan_cardoz@ya…

In version 3 it is critical to turn of auto placement when you move the accidental. Either uncheck auto placement in the inspector when you have it selected or press alt while you drag it. Pressing alt is only necessary the first time but doesn't hurt anything if you do it every time you move the accidental.

In reply to by alan_cardoz@ya…

Add the two notes as a chord.
Make the notes invisible and mark them as do not play
alt+drag the natural above the turn
alt+drag the sharp below the turn

Note: if you made an accidental invisible with the chord, select the accidental and press v to make it visible.

I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing. If you have a turn on C you normally expect it to play according to the key signature or existing accidentals in the score the notes:


What you are doing with the turn with a natural above it and sharp below it is forcing the D to a D-natural and the B to a B-sharp, presumably because the key signature is something like the key of E (4 sharps) and the C is played as a C-sharp due to the key signature. So your turn in this case should actually be played

C-sharp D-natural C-sharp B-sharp C-sharp

The notes you would put into the chord in this case are D-natural and B-Sharp.

If this isn't your case, explain it so you can get better help.

In reply to by alan_cardoz@ya…

I don't remember looking at that attachment before.

As I suspected. The C just has a natural attached to it. What is interesting is the placement of the turn. It seems to me to be a turn between 2 notes (the A and the C) so the # in my opinion would be on a G and that is the only note that would require an accidental and could then be move below the turn. What's more interesting is that the turn is moved to just before the C rather than above it, which I would interpret to mean the turn happens after you hold the 1/2 note for 1.5 (or maybe 1.75) beats and play it with a G# rather than a G-natural. This would also make sense musically since the G# is in the key of A.

I would listen to someone of a good reputation playing this piece to confirm what I'm saying though. If I'm correct, I would mark the A to not play in the inspector and put the notes played properly in voice 2 and make them invisible. I would also mark the turn to not play. You can still drag the # from the G to the turn if you want to, it will still play correctly.

In reply to by mike320

This turn sign must belong to the A-note.
This sign was moved forward to avoid playing at the beginning of the A-note.
(in classical studies: If it is between two notes, it is written in this way.)

I play it like this.

(I added note "b" for seamless access to note c.
it can be play with or without it)

PS: If we look at the bottom staff there we see c-natural here also. so it's in the key.

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In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

Thank you so much for your response ... I assume you have referred to the attachment by Shiochi in this thread ... where a rest has been placed before the 'A' half note. At the beginning of the thread I have attached a jpg file which does not have a rest ... for your reference I'm attaching the jpg file again ... plz let me know as to how do I do place the turn with a sharp as shown in the jpg file in musescore 3

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