turn with sharp
Hi,
How to enter the turn with a sharp as shown in the attachment?
Thanks and regards,
Alan
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Hi,
How to enter the turn with a sharp as shown in the attachment?
Thanks and regards,
Alan
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| IMG_1839[1].JPG | 1.87 MB |
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An idea: https://musescore.org/en/node/293148
In reply to An idea: https://musescore… by Shoichi
Thank you.
I forgot to mention ... How do I do this in musescore 3?
In reply to Thank you. I forgot to… by alan_cardoz@ya…
Turn->From Ornaments palette;
Sharp->Ctrl+T then F2.
For viewing only. For playback see link above.
In reply to Thank you. I forgot to… by alan_cardoz@ya…
In version 3 it is critical to turn of auto placement when you move the accidental. Either uncheck auto placement in the inspector when you have it selected or press alt while you drag it. Pressing alt is only necessary the first time but doesn't hurt anything if you do it every time you move the accidental.
In reply to In version 3 it is critical… by mike320
Thank you.
I'm confused here ... I assume that in this case the turn has to be placed on the C note which is indicated by a natural ... so how do I place the natural accidental on the C note and the sharp accidental just below the turn symbol at the same time?
In reply to Thank you. I'm confused here… by alan_cardoz@ya…
Add the two notes as a chord.
Make the notes invisible and mark them as do not play
alt+drag the natural above the turn
alt+drag the sharp below the turn
Note: if you made an accidental invisible with the chord, select the accidental and press v to make it visible.
I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing. If you have a turn on C you normally expect it to play according to the key signature or existing accidentals in the score the notes:
CDCBC
What you are doing with the turn with a natural above it and sharp below it is forcing the D to a D-natural and the B to a B-sharp, presumably because the key signature is something like the key of E (4 sharps) and the C is played as a C-sharp due to the key signature. So your turn in this case should actually be played
C-sharp D-natural C-sharp B-sharp C-sharp
The notes you would put into the chord in this case are D-natural and B-Sharp.
If this isn't your case, explain it so you can get better help.
In reply to Add the two notes as a chord… by mike320
Thank you so much for this info.
It is the key of D major ... 2 sharps
In reply to Thank you so much for this… by alan_cardoz@ya…
Why is the natural needed? If you want the C to be a natural then mark it with an accidental, but then the B-sharp becomes its enharmonic note.
In reply to Why is the natural needed? by mike320
Not really required ... however, I just wanted to enter into musescore as it is shown in the attached file ... so I asked
In reply to Not really required … by alan_cardoz@ya…
I don't remember looking at that attachment before.
As I suspected. The C just has a natural attached to it. What is interesting is the placement of the turn. It seems to me to be a turn between 2 notes (the A and the C) so the # in my opinion would be on a G and that is the only note that would require an accidental and could then be move below the turn. What's more interesting is that the turn is moved to just before the C rather than above it, which I would interpret to mean the turn happens after you hold the 1/2 note for 1.5 (or maybe 1.75) beats and play it with a G# rather than a G-natural. This would also make sense musically since the G# is in the key of A.
I would listen to someone of a good reputation playing this piece to confirm what I'm saying though. If I'm correct, I would mark the A to not play in the inspector and put the notes played properly in voice 2 and make them invisible. I would also mark the turn to not play. You can still drag the # from the G to the turn if you want to, it will still play correctly.
In reply to I don't remember looking at… by mike320
This turn sign must belong to the A-note.
This sign was moved forward to avoid playing at the beginning of the A-note.
(in classical studies: If it is between two notes, it is written in this way.)
I play it like this.
![turn_0.png]( "turn_0.png")
(I added note "b" for seamless access to note c.
it can be play with or without it)
PS: If we look at the bottom staff there we see c-natural here also. so it's in the key.
In reply to This turn sign must belong… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Thank you so much for your response ... I assume you have referred to the attachment by Shiochi in this thread ... where a rest has been placed before the 'A' half note. At the beginning of the thread I have attached a jpg file which does not have a rest ... for your reference I'm attaching the jpg file again ... plz let me know as to how do I do place the turn with a sharp as shown in the jpg file in musescore 3
In reply to Thank you so much for your… by alan_cardoz@ya…
Something like that?
In reply to Something like that? by Shoichi
Yes .. thank you so much ... now this kinda makes some sense ... thanks again
In reply to Thank you so much for your… by alan_cardoz@ya…
It doesn't matter if 4/4 or 3/4 or 7/4 or rest(s) is there or not.
notation is the same.
In reply to It doesn't matter if 4/4 or… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Ok ... Thank you :)
attaching the whole piece and entered the turn as per Shiochi. (Done this in musescore 3)