Why doesn't MIDI output work on Musescore 4?
It used to work perfectly with the previous version, but now it doesn't work. I double-checked to see if it was a problem with my digital piano or computer, but it isn't, because MIDI output works everywhere else.
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Do you get a device at all? In MIDI preferences it just says "no device" for me.
Might want to add your specifics to the relevant bugreport: https://musescore.org/en/node/337844
In reply to Do you get a device at all?… by necklace
Rather #337844: Use of MIDI keyboard in Ubuntu
I have the same problem.
![M4_midi.jpg]( "M4_midi.jpg")
The midi input/output worked initially, but no longer with the current version v4.0.1.230121751.
Here is a snapshot of my preferences, where I have selected my keyboard as input and output.
When I play the score, it still goes to my PC Loudspeaker instead of my MIDI keyboard.
I have also "Activer input MIDI" in the playback setting, although is should not affect playback, I guess.
Is there any other setting that I should change?
Note: initially, the selection was totally empty; the pulldown menu was populated with "Aucun périphérique" and "CASIO USB-MIDI", but the latter could not be selected. I found a workaround by first selecting "Aucun périphérique", and then "CASIO USB-MIDI". This is probably an unrelated small bug.
UPDATE: when I set the volume of my CASIO keyboard to maximum, I can hear the notes very weakly. There is also a note (A) superposed to each of the actual notes.
Midi input did not work half an hour ago, but now it does; could this be linked to a test I did with Musescore 3 to confirm that the keyboard worked fine with M3?
In reply to I have the same problem. The… by Flying Roger
Same problem
ok on MS3 not working in MS4 on same computer and same external hardware
In reply to Same problem ok on MS3 not… by vcsteven55
What OS, what MIDI dievice, and does it appear in Edit / Preferences / I/O?
In reply to What OS, what MIDI dievice,… by Marc Sabatella
Windows 10 and Yamaha E333 keyboard
Ms3 works fine. Workaround: export xml And play xml in Ms3.
In reply to What OS, what MIDI dievice,… by Marc Sabatella
And yes it appears in I/O , input works fine output noppes
In reply to And yes it appears in I/O ,… by vcsteven55
Tested 4.2. Still same problem with MIDI out. What is the hack with velocity value's "robertopr" mentioned?
In reply to Tested 4.2. Still same… by vcsteven55
Same bug in 4.2: Note on message is bad issued so the velocity is set to 1 or 0. Any hack like using MIDIOX as a midi transformer, could make it sound, but with no expression since volume will be loud or soft depending on the values given to 1 and 0 on traslation. This is unnaceptable and a pretty dumb bug for a released music software.
In reply to What OS, what MIDI dievice,… by Marc Sabatella
I can confirm the same behavior: MIDI output does not work properly. If I turn up the volume on the Casio keyboard (with built-in USB port, shows up as "CASIO USB-MIDI" in Preferences), I can barely hear some notes playing, even when there are no notes (only pauses) in the staff. And by barely I mean about the same loudness as the speaker background noise.
MuseScore 4.1.1 on Manjaro Linux with KDE and Pipewire. I don't see any MIDI connection in
qpwgraph, which makes me believe it's trying to connect to MIDI directly instead of using JACK/Pipewire.Some related issues on GitHub:
* https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/16787
* https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/18382
In reply to I have the same problem. The… by Flying Roger
I tested again today, with the latest version 4.1.1.232071203 Révision e4d1ddf, on a desktop PC running the latest version of Windows 10.
A good point for version 4.1.1 is that PC playback issues (cracks and other perturbations) are seemingly solved.
For Midi, I have still the same problem as before: Midi input works, but not Midi output, despite performing all selections mentioned by Marc S. Sometimes, I only hear a repeated tiny A4 note in the background, as already reported by other users.
Sequence for testing:
1)- launch Musescore 4
- create a new score, just selecting keyboard/piano/add
- edit preferences i/o: midi menus are empty so I click on the pulldown and try to select Casio midi, to no avail.
using a trick already mentioned last year, I first select "aucun périphérique" (no peripheral) and then reselect "CASIO USB-MIDI" (I already signaled this bug on the pulldown selector on the previous version: it is still there).
so I finally get CASIO USB-MIDI for both Midi input and Midi output.
- check that the playback menu has "Activate Midi input" selected
- click on the first rest and press N
- play notes on the Casio keyboard => the notes appear on the M4 score. => Midi input is workging
- press N to exit the input mode
- click on the first note and press space to play the score => it only plays on the PC Window, not on the Casio.
2) close and restart Musescore, opening the last played score:
- the CASIO USB-MIDI selection and the "Activate Midi input" are still there
- but the Midi output still does not work.
3) Launch Musescore 3.6.0, opening the last recent score
- press space => the score plays on both PC desktop loudspeakers and on the Casio Keyboard.
Conclusion: I will once more stick to 3.6.0 until a new release of M4 is available, hoping that these issues will eventually be solved.
It's a pity because I appreciate the new layout and menus organisation of M4 and I am sure that a lot of good work has been done by the developpers.
Unfortunately, mscz 4 files incompatibility makes it cumbersome to move back to M3 once you edit a file in M4.
Therefore, I do not dare to create (or even edit) my scores in M4 until basic functions like midi playback are reliably working.
Maybe same problem as mentioned here:
https://musescore.org/en/node/344956#comment-1191215 ?
In reply to Maybe same problem as… by robertopr
I figured out a different way to connect MS4 to midi connections for each instrument in a score to support the following use cases:
1- Connect to non vst3 plugins
2 - Connect instruments to vst/racks in your DAW
3 - Connect instruments to external midi hardware
Using the Element plugin from kvraudio installs a vst3 plugin that can be added to each instrument in the mixer. The Element plugin allows the creation of a workflow where you have multiple options to route and monitor the midi signal sent by MS4. Drag the midi port for your instrument to the editor and link it to the midi input - that is it.
I was cable to configure a piano and a drum track going to a Yamaha P125 and a drum VST in Reaper, properly equalized. When I press play in MS4 the piano plays on the Yamaha and the drum plays on a Reaper track. The DAW is irrelevant. As a side note I tested Dexed (DX7 emulator free) in MS4 as piano VST and was very pleased with the results.
In reply to I figured out a different… by omarlfrancisc
Tested again today with version 4.2.1
Something new is that I can hear the notes of my score on my midi device.
Previously, it was simply a repeated note.
Bad news ist that the volume is again very very low, barely audible with volume set to maximum level on the device. Changing the setting of the mixer master has no effect on this.
I also noticed that only one note of the chords is played on the device while the full chord is played on the PC loudspeaker.
Just sending this update in case it could help to localise the cause of this issue.
I have the same problem with my Yamaha Arius YDP 143. I can input notes to a score with it, but musescore doesn't output to my piano even though in I/O my Arius is recognised for input and output. So also here I'm forced to keep using version 3 because there it's working fine.
In reply to I have the same problem with… by PatrickDJ
same issue with Yamaha DGX-660 which perfectly with what ever free midi recorder or player...
This problem is caused by all note on/off velocity value generated MU4 is 1. It's too small value.
MIDI velocity can take value from 0 to 127, usually around 64.
This occurs in all Ver.4 series. This does not occur in Ver.3.
It's very inconvenient.
See this figure.
https://musescore.org/sites/musescore.org/files/styles/width_740/public…
https://musescore.org/ja/node/338263#comment-1159523
I and some users reported same issue in Japanese forum.
We waiting fix this for a long time.
「[MS 4.1.0] Note On/Off Velocity がすべて 1」
https://musescore.org/ja/node/352572
「[MS 4.0] Note On Velocity がすべて 1」
https://musescore.org/ja/node/338263
「MIDI OUTの不具合」
https://musescore.org/ja/node/340226
In reply to This problem is caused by… by knoike
I have just tried versión 4.3 portable and 4.4 beta, and the midi out bug is not fixed in anyone. This is incredible for a midi music software, even being free.
In reply to I have just tried versión 4… by harakiriman
Did you check the velocity of the MIDI messages as indicated above?
In any case, to be clear: museSvore is not “MIDI music software” - it is music notation software Thant just happens to employ MIDI for its own internal playback. MuseSvore having limits in its MIDI I/O is no more surprising than your favorite DAW having limits in its music notation.
In reply to Did you check the velocity… by Marc Sabatella
But note input should be facilitated no? I have never learned to use my keyboard to input notes but it makes sense to me.
In reply to But note input should be… by canadasinger
MIDI is not required to input notes, but if you wish to use it, that is supported.
In reply to Did you check the velocity… by Marc Sabatella
> Did you check the velocity of the MIDI messages as indicated above?
I think he(harakiriman) did that.
Because he has the skill MIDI message routing and transforming.
See https://musescore.org/en/node/341519#comment-1219991 .
In reply to Did you check the velocity… by Marc Sabatella
Sure, but it worked fine in version 3, so it is a feature that have been spoiled somehow during development, so it shoudn't be so hard to fix it, since it is a problem that during building the midi message, the 2nd data byte in NOTE-ON message, which is the note velocity is set either to 1 or 0, instead of the real value. Moreover, it works fine when using the internal synth, so either internally you ar not using standar midi messages or the routines that creates the messages are different for internal and external synths. Attached you will find the Note-on midi message format I mentioned.
In reply to Sure, but it worked fine in… by harakiriman
Fully supported.
It is hard to understand why it takes so much time to simply recognise that there is a bug.
I would like to ask this question: are there users (running on Windows 10) that do NOT experience this bug ?
Maybe this forum is not the right place for signalling bugs in v4.
I have now posted a bug report on github.
In reply to Fully supported. It is hard… by Flying Roger
I think they are a team that want to provide a great product I mean a really great product but it's harder than they imagined it to be And they are understaffed and could probably use a lot more support. I wonder how to support the cause without being able to code or troubleshoot.
In reply to I think they are a team that… by canadasinger
Actually, I was surprised to see that this issue was not yet reported on github.
I got several reactions there very quickly after I posted the problem.
Looking forward for the next release to see if the voluntary developpers will have time to fix the bug.
In reply to Actually, I was surprised to… by Flying Roger
"Midi output sets velocity to 1 for all notes"
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/22354
I subscribed that your report.
In reply to https://github.com/musescore… by knoike
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/22354#issuecomment-205254…
And, I reported with a figure of sample MIDI output.
In reply to https://github.com/musescore… by knoike
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/22354#issuecomment-205254…
By captured MIDI output, I may have found other problem.
This sample score is contain 4 notes, C4, E4, G4, C5.
The corresponding MIDI messages are as follows:
C4 note on/off: 90 3c 01/80 3c 01
E4 note on/off: 90 40 01/80 40 01
G4 note on/off: 90 43 01/80 43 01
C5 note on/off: 90 48 01/80 48 01
But the captured MIDI output also contained the following note on/off messages:
E5 note on/off: 90 4c 01/80 4c 01
F5 note on/off: 90 4d 01/80 4d 01
What are these? How about others?
In reply to https://github.com/musescore… by knoike
I have just monitored an empy score midi out, and found that Musescore sends strange midi messages on every measure, just when crossing the bar line. See attached image.
In reply to I have just monitored an… by harakiriman
Thanks. I also confirmed it.
I guess from the results of your experiment, these MIDI messages may be for metronome sounds.
In the current implementation, it cannot be turned off... ．
I think this is a bug too.
I think that MIDI messages for metronome sounds should not be output.
In reply to Thanks. I also confirmed… by knoike
Yes, I agree with you, taking into account that they are sent in the same channel (1) of the instrument, in case they sound, piano notes will sound instead of metronome sounds. And what about those pitch bend and sustain pedal events? Repeating this events with 0 value is useless and can eventually cause that a sustain pedal maintained between measures be cut too early.
In reply to Yes, I agree with you,… by harakiriman
I agree with your thoughts about pitch bend and sustain pedal events.
This is also another bug which related MIDI output.
In reply to I agree with your thoughts… by knoike
"Musescore 4 sends strange messages to midi out on every measure change"
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/22386
I also subscribed the issue you(harakiriman) created.
In reply to Did you check the velocity… by Marc Sabatella
To have music notation software that "is not MIDI music software", in 2024, is like having a car that is not meant for driving on a road. I'm sorry. That sounds harsh. I mean, if you're going to support control of musical instruments, which is a great idea from notation software, you need to do it adequately. If it's going to be poor, don't do it at all.
Very same thing happened to me! Doesn't recognize a device but did when I originally downloaded Musescore.
I also lost the ability to use Garageband... informs me that there is an e-licenser problem. Even with a native Mac app like Garage Band!
In reply to Very same thing happened to… by canadasinger
For questions about Garage Band, best to ask on an Apple forum, not this one.
In reply to For questions about Garage… by Marc Sabatella
Can you say conclusively that Musehub didn't create some security issue or create a vulnerability on my computer? Because I view not being able to open GarageBand because of downloading Musehub
In reply to Can you say conclusively… by canadasinger
I can conclusively say that if Garage Band is giving you trouble, the obvious place to ask for help is on a forum devoted to that product.