Concert Pitch
Hi everyone. I'll try to explain to the best of my ability since this a confusing topic for me....
I am trying to achieve the following.;
Entering notes for transposed Instruments using my MIDI keyboard. I should have to press the "sounding pitch" In order to write the right notes in the score.
For instance, my score is in C Minor. When I am writing for the Alto Sax, I press C on my keyboard, It will put in a C on the score. But, It's really a Eb. Meaning, the player will play an Eb.
So I want rather to practice on my scores with the real sounding pitches, so I should have to press Eb for the note to be written on C.
If anyone understands, good. If not, also good ; - )
Any help will be appreciated!
Comments
Toggle the concert pitch button at the bottom right of the screen
In reply to Toggle the concert pitch… by Jojo-Schmitz
I think the OP is hoping for an input mode where you enter a note by typing its sounding pitch but it gets entered in the score at written pitch. It might make an interesting challenge of one's transposing skills but not a lot of use otherwise. Perhaps a plug in could do it.
In reply to I think the OP is hoping for… by SteveBlower
I think Jojo-Schmitz is right.
Switch to concert pitch, then enter e.g. Eb, switch off the concert pitch and the written note changes to C.
Anyway, this is how it works with the mouse or the PC_keyboard, whether it works exactly the same way with the MIDI keyboard, I unfortunately don't know.
In reply to I think Jojo-Schmitz is… by HildeK
I was trying to interpret what the OP meant by "so I should have to press Eb for the note to be written on C." which looks to me like the OP wants to press keys (PC or Midi) for an Eb and see a C immediately in the score.
Perhaps the OP can explain further.
In reply to I was trying to interpret… by SteveBlower
Yes, you could understand it that way. It is not clear to me why this must be immediately.
Perhaps the OP can explain further.
Yes indeed. I would also like to know more about the use case.
My idea is:
as a composer (I am not one) I would write in concert pitch to see chords and harmonies directly.
as a user transcribing a score, I use the transposing pitch and copy directly.
Finally I generate the parts in transposing pitch in both cases.
In reply to Yes, you could understand it… by HildeK
Well yes, Musescore works the way I would expect. Whether you are viewing the score at concert pitch, or at written pitch, entering a C by pressing a C key shows a C in the score that you see on the screen. Anything else would be very confusing.
In reply to I think the OP is hoping for… by SteveBlower
You said it well Steve. It will help me with my transposing skills and this is the reason I would like to enter notes the way the player reads them.
(In Sibelius this is the default if I’m not mistaken)
In reply to You said it well Steve. It… by JoBreu
I can explain one of the reasons why this is helpful. Let’s say you are just rewriting from another score for the sake of practicing (Let’s say you have a PDF in front of you and you enter the notes in your notation software) That case I want to read what a player is reading for the sake of practicing and enhancing my orchestration skills…
In reply to I can explain one of the… by JoBreu
If you set up a new score with multiple instruments, E-flat (alto sax), F (horn), B-flat (clarinet), C (flute, trombone), then each staff is already the way a musician needs it. You can start transcribing directly, exactly as it is written in the PDF and also create the parts. Don't switch to concert pitch!
If you want to learn how these instruments transpose, turn on and off the concert pitch and look on your score.
By doing this, all key signatures change to the key of the score, the notes jump to their sounding pitch - and back. But the sound itself does not change!
And more: if you like to play e.g. an existing B-flat clarinet stave with your E-flat alto sax, you have at least two easy options:
add a staff for alto sax, copy the clarinet notes into this sax staff.
change the clarinet staff into an alto sax staff simply by 'Part Properties / Change Instrument'.
Musescore does all this right!
In reply to You said it well Steve. It… by JoBreu
It is not clear then what the problem is. If the score is not displayed at concert pitch and you have a correctly set up transposing instrument, what you enter will show as the player would see it. For an Eb instrument, if you enter a C by pressing the letter C on the PC keyboard then a C will appear in the score but will sound as an Eb. Do you want something other than that? Or are you seeing Musescore behave in way other than what I described?
In reply to You said it well Steve. It… by JoBreu
"(In Sibelius this is the default if I’m not mistaken)"
Not that I recall. Though if it was, I toggled it off long ago. I commend you one working on transposing skills. And what a great way to do it. Personally, I don't have time for it.
In reply to Toggle the concert pitch… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you so much, exactly what I was looking for. MuseScore has reached a point in which it's beyond awesome!