export midi info

• Dec 2, 2015 - 23:47

is there a way that I can export the midi score info to my daw for my virtual instrument to use the score info ?
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• Dec 3, 2015 - 00:08

You can export your score to a standard MIDI file via File / Export, or play it back in real time via Jack (assumign you have installed and configured it) using Edit / Preferences / I.O, and Jack which can in theory drive your DAW.

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• Dec 7, 2015 - 00:32

my daw is studio one 3 pro, and they offer a composition software that runs in the daw, but cant afford it--will muse do that.
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• Dec 7, 2015 - 15:51

After looking up Rewire on Wikipedia it seems that JACK is an open source alternative to Rewire.

It enables you to route audio and MIDI information between applications, so you can send the MIDI stream out of MuseScore and play it back through a VSTi on your DAW.

At present you need MIDI Channel filtering of some kind in order to properly match up MuseScore's instruments with different instruments on your DAW, but the next release will, I believe, have MIDI Port/Channel customisation in MuseScore.

You can also route MuseScore's Audio output to your DAW to add VST effects to the sound.

You can load multiple soundfonts, and a restricted number of SFZs.

As to recommended soundfonts, you're probably best to look initially at the list in the online handbook....

https://musescore.org/en/handbook/soundfont-0

After that check out the Soundfont Forum

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• Dec 7, 2015 - 16:35

thanks, im a little worried about installing jack in my win 10 os, but it would be nice to have it in my daw. let me think about it.
thanks for the links !
once i transferred the midi files into my daw from muse, i had to do some work on the configurations of the soundfont inst presets (because it transferred all that info with the notes and note values), but i got "polyphone" (you can also use viena), the sound font editor, and can make the installed sound fonts in muse how i want them (install polyphone, open muse files to where the sound font is, double tap the sound font, and it should open it in polyphone, where you can edit it), then reinstall it back in muse, in place of the original ( save the original, for reference) ( with alterations to the sounds (you can add wave files to improve upon the sounds, and adjust them), and midi information of the inst used). pretty cool huh ?

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• Dec 7, 2015 - 17:09

Indeed it is very cool :)

Personally I prefer Viena over Polyphone, mainly due to unfamiliarity, but there is also a limitation on the number of presets in Polyphone (I think) which can be a problem if you're building a big multi=instrument soundfont.

There's no reason not to install JACK - it won't break your system - I have had it very happily running first in Windows 8.1 and then in Windows 10 for over a year now.

The only problem is getting it configured to work properly, which can be a bit tricky eg I use Cakewalk Sonar Professional which defaults ASIO drivers to 24bit, but JACK doesn't have a native 24bit mode - it uses a 24 bit mode which is stored in 32 bits. Consequently Sonar will not pick up JACK's ASIO driver and I have to use ASIO bridging to use Sonar in ASIO mode otherwise JACK hogs the soundcard.

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• Dec 7, 2015 - 17:22

do you know how i can get my sound sets in my studio open to modify them (thier like fonts, but i cant get to the sampler files in them, or get them open)--studio one 3 pro.
im still learning the sound font editers, and am a beginer, using them.
how much space does jack need ? and what all do you use it for ?

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• Dec 8, 2015 - 12:18

You probably can't - proprietary sample sets are usually protected so you can't access them easily.

You may even find that some of the VSTi's will only work in StudioOne.

The only way would be to use the DAW to record the samples again.

Jack's space requirements are tiny - 25MB disk space. The server takes up 12MB RAM and JackCtl 4MB - a mere fleabite on a modern system.

I use JACK for integrating MuseScore with 3rd party VSTi's, effects, and sequencers. Usually using KXStudio's Carla app as the VST host which eliminates the need for internal MIDI cable software.

Unless I'm wanting to use my Sonar VSTs which only work in Sonar in which case I use LoopMIDI to pass the MuseScore MIDI stream from JACK to Sonar. I usually do this with the Direct Audio WDM driver as it eliminates the need for ASIO bridging.

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• Dec 8, 2015 - 13:52

yea, im gonna rerecord them.
i transfered the midi info into my daw, and from there adjusted it, in my vsti. i do all my writing in muse, then transfer the midi notes and values to my studio, do adjustments, and render it to audio, for the final editing and mixing. what would be the point of using jack, and integrating it.
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• Dec 8, 2015 - 20:47

Give Jack a try...
Do you know a DAW with support for ReWire AND JackTransport??? Oh, I wish I COULD test these two technologies side by side concerning interference...(on Windows 8.1 btw).
Even there existed that DAW one day, one question is/will be important: Which app is master, which is slave?
For now, using the routing capabilities of jack is possible and works great for me. (I need it here for midi, because I've got more than 16 midi channels in my big band scores (Trumpets cost two per Instrument by default) and love to prelisten with Garritan JABB while arranging: With a good dry sound, it is so much easier to make arrangement decisions especially while writing dense voicings.

Oliver

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• Dec 9, 2015 - 09:16

I did an experiment this morning. I too have Melodyne, although it is something I don't use often as normally I'm manipulating synths, not recordings of live instruments.

I fired up JACK and LoopMIDI, ran MuseScore and connected it's MIDI out to LoopMIDI then launched Sonar and created a Melodyne Track.

I then played back one of the old MuseScore demos through one of Sonar's VST pianos via Jack.

No problem at all.

As I can't imagine the scenario where you would be wanting to run Melodyne live at the same time as MuseScore, I reckon that's good enough :)

HTH

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• Dec 9, 2015 - 13:37

Melodyne also is slaved through Rewire in Sonar in my system.

That was the point - Rewire and JACK appear to be able to coexist quite happily with each other.

In this case JACK was simply transferring MuseScore's MIDI out to Sonar via LoopMIDI.

If StudioOne recognises the JackRouter ASIO driver, then everything is simple - StudioOne becomes a JACK aware application and you can route audio and MIDI to it directly from Jack.

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• Dec 14, 2015 - 09:21

Personally I tend not to run Jack with Sonar. This is because Jack is prone to Xruns (buffer overflows) if I do so.

If I want improved sound whilst composing I tend to use a Jack aware VST host called Carla which isn't such a resource hog as Sonar.

I'm planning to upgrade to an i7 processor in January, however, which I'm hoping will solve the problem.

I just wish I could find a decent VST choir - all the ones I've tried so far have been worse than useless.

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• Dec 14, 2015 - 12:33

ive been working on mine.
if you have a sampler, overlay a square and a triangle wave ( a square wave is the result of a circuit being over driven, and a triangle wave is the result of the circuit exceeding its speed capabilities ), mix them ( db wise) until you have a smooth distortion) ( don't forget to set up The ADSR for them), mix a clean sine wave in (mixed to desired ), then mix 3 or 4 of the best choir fonts you have ( mix to taste) ( Hah's, Huh's, Hhm's,or Ahh's), put a very low chorus, delay and reverb ( all 3 almost unperceivable, add it until you hear the effect , then back it off a little, it adds body) double that mix to some new tracks, with a 36.6 ms delay on them ( or whatever is below the "Haas effect" threshold, the high end usually need some high cut on it, but you can put another eq at the end of the chain to boost it back up, after the first one cut the harshness.-- you can also add a smooth synth ( like a smooth moog) behind it to add body)
i pulled the fonts out of every free software ( like musescore ) i could find also, to mix and combine. my studio has some good ones but there non distributable.
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• Dec 14, 2015 - 23:56

@ ChurchOrganist: 1000 times thank you for the info using Carla. Before I had much trouble with these Loop back devices in combination with Jack. After installing Carla (since it is Jack aware) it's not necessary anymore. I built up the Carla Setup with two instances of my Garritan JABB and everything runs smoothly. BTW, I am running an I7, the bottleneck were the LoopBack Devices (virtual midi cables), not the CPU, I guess..

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• Dec 15, 2015 - 21:02

I used LoopBe 30 (30 ports à 16 channels) , LoopBe 1 (free) was not enough because I need most often at least 17 midichannels (standard Big Band setup), or with flute, muted trumpets (only one kind of of mute), muted trombones even 17+1+4+4=26 midichannels, which means 2 ports. I can't say, which part of the chain was the weakest link. (MS, Reaper with two-three instances of (memoryheavy) Garritan JABB, LoopBe 30 and Jack), but I do say, that there is much better, smoother and faster operation with MS, Jack, Carla and JABB (2i,too). Since Reaper has proven to me being such a rock solid piece of software for seven years now I don't believe that this was the bottleneck.
So there are things on my list, I will use in future only in case of absolute necessity: LoopBe is on it.
For the sake of fairness: I didn't do REAL tests. I set it all up to my (obvious) convenience and started watching and praying...

As a matter of interest :); which process mode in the engine settings have you chosen for Carla?

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• Dec 16, 2015 - 09:23

Ah yes LoopBE - I have had problems with MIDI overflows with this before which is why I switched to LoopMIDI which is not limited to one MIDI port and is less inclined to overflow.

When I have time (ie after Christmas) I'll try to set up some tests to try and establish what's going on.

I usually use the Multiclient process mode in Carla - it seems to give the most flexible means of laying out the patchbay.

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