Courtesy clef not showing up
I see that in some places in my music the courtesy clef didn't appear at the end of the measure in the previous system. In some cases it's where it's supposed to be and in others it's just not there. I can't figure out how to add the courtesy clef.
Thanks in advance.
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In order to do anything more than guess, we need you to attach your score and give orchids steps to reproduce the problem. Also say what version of MuseScore and what OS.
In reply to In order to do anything more by Marc Sabatella
Thanks Marc.
You can see in the screen shot that in ms 20 there is the courtesy clef change as it's supposed to be. But there isn't one at the end of ms 36 and there should be since ms 37 on the next page changes to treble clef.
I'm using the latest version of MuseScore and Windows 10.
In reply to Thanks Marc. You can see in by ShoshanaM
Screen shots are someitmes nice, but in order to truly understand the problem, we need to see the actual score, not just a picture of it. It's possible the courtesy clef was disabled for that clef change via the Inspector, for instanc, but the picture wouldn't tell us that.
In reply to Screen shots are someitmes by Marc Sabatella
Sorry, misread your previous reply. Did you want me to send a pdf? I did check and both the inspector and style-page are ticked to include courtesy clefs. At this point I just need to know how to insert a courtesy clef.
In reply to Sorry, misread your previous by ShoshanaM
Okay, I figured out the problem but don't know how to fix it. In two different pieces where I need the courtesy clef to show up is at a repeat sign. If I remove the repeat sign then the courtesy clef shows up. Problem is that I need both of them. How can I have both?
In reply to Sorry, misread your previous by ShoshanaM
No, as I said, when asking for help, it is best to post the *actual score* - the MSCZ file itself. A PDF is just another kind of picture.
Sounds like someone else may have been able to guess the problem anyhow though.
In reply to No, as I said, when asking by Marc Sabatella
Yes, but it's not solved. I still would like the courtesy clef to show with the repeat sign.
Ensure that the checkbox for "Create courtesy clefs" is ticked. From the main menu, click Style>General>Page and check that box.
In reply to Ensure that the checkbox for by Recorder485
The checkbox is ticked.
In reply to The checkbox is ticked. by ShoshanaM
I can reproduce this. Version 2.0.3, MacOS Yosemite.
1. Take a piano score.
2. Change the left hand clef to G clef somewhere in the middle.
3. Enter a line break at the same point.
- The courtesy clef appears.
4. enter a repeat barline at the same point.
- The courtesy clef disappears.
The same happens if the experiment is made with the right hand staff.
The reason is probably that the courtesy clef can not appear *before* the repeat sign, otherwise it would confuse people when they repeat as it only applies to the continuation. But I have seen courtesy clefs *after* the repeat sign: The repeat barline is moved to the left by about 5 mm and the courtesy clef is sitting on the staff lines sticking out at the end with no barline at the end of the line.
I even seem to remember that this was how it worked in Musescore 1.3. though I might be wrong about that (I uninstalled it when version 2 came along).
Edit: Had to edit because the spell checker insisted on "carline" rather than "barline". So much for AI.
In reply to I can reproduce this. by azumbrunn
Come to think about this: The situation with courtesy clefs that coincide with repeat signs is more complicated than this: There are four possibilities:
1. No courtesy clef required.
2. Courtesy clef required for the continuation.
3. Courtesy clef required for the jump back to the repeat.
4. Courtesy clef required for both.
Maybe this is why there are no courtesy clefs at all.
Edit: With key signature changes the courtesy signature does appear at the end of the line after the repeat sign as I described in the post above. So maybe my memory of 1.3. refers to that. Still if key signatures can give courtesy signatures maybe clefs should too. After all they may be possibly even more complicated than the list above since more than two keys might be involved.
In reply to Come to think about this: by azumbrunn
Thank you azumbrunn.
In both instances I need the courtesy clef after the repeat sign as it is required for both jumping back to the repeat as well as for the continuation. My editor caught it. So what do I do? How can I extend the measure to include a courtesy clef past the repeat sign?
In reply to Thank you azumbrunn. In both by ShoshanaM
@bsimcha18, workaround (HTH)
insert horizontal frame;
press 'Z' -> symbols / Clef -> add the treble clef;
adjust the frame.
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Unfortunately the treble clef from the Master palette is not scalable.
In reply to @bsimcha18, workaround by Shoichi
@Shoichi, your Testb example looks perfect, however, I can't figure out how to insert the vertical frame at the end of that measure.
In reply to @Shoichi, your Testb example by ShoshanaM
I am a man of few words (here, because I do not speak English) ;-)
In reply to I am a man of few words by Shoichi
The frame seems useful if you want the clef after the barline. To get it before simply insert from the Master Palette.
Buona musica!
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aggressive medical treatment ... add a picture with 'image capture'
In reply to The frame seems useful if you by Shoichi
Grazie. It took me a while but I figure it out. How did you get the treble clef to be the perfect size in the last example? I'd like that size but before the repeat sign, not after. The regular size is too big and the smaller size is too small.
In reply to Grazie. It took me a while by ShoshanaM
In *C -> just dragged from the Master Palette
In *D -> 'Image Capture' (I first entered the courtesy clef in an empty measure)
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/image-capture
In reply to In *C -> just dragged from by Shoichi
Grazie. I'm trying to adjust the courtesy clef perfectly but the staff appears thicker in that spot. Any way to avoid this where the courtesy clef has been placed?
In reply to Grazie. I'm trying to adjust by ShoshanaM
In the example attached (* E.) I added a better image.
To position it as best as possible is preferable to set the zoom (Ctrl + mouse wheel) to about 500. Then resize the image by using the handles.
Consider that, however, is just a ploy
In reply to In the example attached (* by Shoichi
Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I can get it close, but not perfect.
I have the same problem - I have attached
1. an annotated screenshot
2. the .MSZ score
In reply to I have the same problem - I by BWernham
Looks like a bug indeed. Only it doesn't seem to have been reported in the issue tracker yet?
In reply to I have the same problem - I by BWernham
This is not related to the "bug," but do you realize you have the baritone clef in stead of the bass clef?
Edit: I'm not sure that this is a bug. The courtesy clef is not shown because there is a repeat barline rather than a double or single barline. I don't have a reference for music notation to refer to, but I don't recall ever seeing a courtesy clef in front of a repeat barline before.
In reply to This is not related to the by mike320
I think the correct behavior would probably be to place the courtesy clef *after* the repeat barline. I checked in Gould, and I don't see that she covers this case specifically. But she does say a clef change that affects the music after the repeated section goes after the repeat sign - she just doesn't show this in conjunction with a line break so we don't get to see if she'd apply this rule to courtesy clefs as well.
In reply to This is not related to the by mike320
Thanks for that - I have changed it to the standard bass clef now.
The courtesy treble clef still does not appear though...
In reply to Thanks for that - I have by BWernham
Correct, that seems to be a bug. Courtesy clefs don't appear on lines ending in repeat barlines. There doesn't seem to be an issue for this in the issue tracker -could you submit one (see Help / Report a Bug, from within MuseScore - or use the "Issue tracker" link in menu at right of this page).
In reply to Correct, that seems to be a by Marc Sabatella
I HAVE CREATED A BUG REPORT
Here is the link:
https://musescore.org/en/node/228531
Brian
In reply to I HAVE CREATED A BUG by BWernham
Or even #228531: Courtesy clefs don't appear on lines ending in repeat barlines ;-)