Fine on a note in a measure
How can I Fine on a single note in a measure? When I move the Fine to the measure the music ends at the end of the measure. I would like to Fine on the second beat of the measure. How can I do this?
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Make the note shorter and put a rest where you want the sound to stop.
Split the measure and make the barline invisible.
In reply to Split the measure and make by Jojo-Schmitz
Hi. So what you are suggesting is, if the piece is in 4/4 and the last bar should only sound for a quarter note, it is alright to write a whole note to fill the bar and then add an invisible barline? That makes no sense to me. What am I missing?
In reply to Hi. So what you are by xavierjazz
No, enter a quarter note and split the measure after that
In reply to No, enter a quarter note and by Jojo-Schmitz
Ah. Why the barline?
In reply to Ah. Why the barline? by xavierjazz
Because the fine applies to the end of a measure, i.e. a barline
In reply to Because the fine applies to by Jojo-Schmitz
"the fine applies to the end of a measure, i.e. a barline": In my experience this is not necessarily so. That needs only apply if there is a pick-up at the beginning.
I have seen and written many pieces where the first bar of the piece is a full bar per the time signature and where the last note of the piece is a shot, somewhere within the last bar, always notated in time with proper articulation.
I have never seen what I think you are talking about, but I'm still confused. What is the purpose of the invisible bar line, which, in reality is impossible to notate?
In reply to "the fine applies to the end by xavierjazz
The barline is to be able to attach the fine, invisible to hide it, may not be needed
In reply to Because the fine applies to by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks it worked. Excellent.
How to resume to the second verse of the music after fine is applied
In reply to Thanks it worked. Excellent… by Agnelo Fernandes
The Fine is the end of the piece, there's no after.
You may want a D.C al Coda maybe?
Normally the FINE is at the end of a measure but sometimes at the end of a phrase where there is another note in that measure (that is only played the first time round). MuseScore only allows for the placement at the end of a measure. You can end on a single note that is not the last note in the measure by first selecting that note and then splitting the measure at that note. This creates a new "end of measure" where you can place the FINE. In order to avoid confusing the person playing the piece, however, it might be wise to at least have a dotted barline instead of making it invisible so that it is clear where the FINE is to apply.
In reply to Normally the FINE is at the by underquark
Yes, that's what I meant but failed to explain properly. And indeed hiding the barline is not the best idea
In reply to Normally the FINE is at the by underquark
Ah, necessary for MIDI.
In reply to Ah, necessary for MIDI. by xavierjazz
Not really MIDI, but playback.
In order to make things much easier for the composer the next version of MuseScore should provide the feature of clicking on the note that you want the music to end on, and then dragging the Fine to that note. When the audio of the score is then played the music will stop after that note is sounded. This would be better than splitting measures to get the same effect.
In reply to In order to make things much by AIJohnsen
The standard according to the rules of music notation is for Fine to apply to end of the measure. The only situation I can think of where it is normally OK to put a Fine somewhere within a measure is for that very special case of accounting for a pickup, and in these cases it is also pretty standard to divide the measure with a dotted barline. If for some reason you don't wish that, and are comfortable with violating the normal rules of music notation, simply adjustment the position of the Fine manually, or placing the text as simple staff text, would work just fine.
In reply to The standard according to the by Marc Sabatella
Fine applied to the end of a measure is fine. That doesn't mean that a note has to be there. The end of sound can be anywhere in that measure and rests fill the rest.
:)
In reply to Fine applied to the end of a by xavierjazz
Xavier you absolutely understand the point I am trying to make about the Fine being on any note in a measure. Not being able to do this in MuseScore is obvious when you play the score back and there are pick up notes at the end of that measure.
In reply to Xavier you absolutely by AIJohnsen
So the feature request would become something along these lines?
If Fine is dropped onto a measure, keep doing what we're doing now.
If Fine is dropped onto a note, have MuseScore automatically split the measure after that note, change the barline to a dotted one and add the Fine to the first of the newly split measures.
In reply to So the feature request would by jeetee
Dear Jeetee,
The feature request would be:
The Fine is dropped onto a note. When the music is played back the Fine is reached and the music stops at that note.
The measure does not have to be split. This feature would be for play back.
In reply to Dear Jeetee, The feature by AIJohnsen
As explained, the proper way to notate this *is* to split the measure at that point. You can program a computer to stop in the middle of a measure but human performers will follow the normal rules of notation, so you might as well notate it correctly to begin with. Traditionally you would show a dotted line for the barline, although probably that isn't universal. If you are absolutely positive the players reading your score will understand this non-traditional notation, simply mark the barline invisible.
In reply to Dear Jeetee, The feature by AIJohnsen
As Marc mentioned before, the measure needs to be split in order to get correct notation; which in itself will lead to correct playback.
The only thing you'd still have to do yourself for your apparent need is to click on that automatically created barline by the automatic measure split and turn it invisible.
All I proposed was to lessen the steps you'd have to perform to get both notation and playback correct.
In reply to As Marc mentioned before, the by jeetee
I am transcribing a score with a Fine in the middle of a measure. (The piece concludes with a recap of the first 7+ measures). On the score there is a dotted barline.
To split the 3/4 measure would require some juggling due to the presence of a dotted minim at the start of the measure. On the first play through it's held as one voice, and on the second (final) time, it's played as a fermata. The other option is to use some voltas, which would complicate the display
In reply to I am transcribing a score… by memeweaver
The fine on the first note of that measure complicates things. You will have to resort to using text to enter the fine and manually stop playback when the song is done.
In reply to I am transcribing a score… by memeweaver
I would also suggest a better way to notate this would have been to use a Coda so you have a more clear ending. I know if iI were the one trying to read that music, I'd certainly appreciate it - it's clearer and more standard and less likely to cause sight-reading errors as my brain has to process an awkward and unfamiliar idiom. In general, I recommend for people to not feel compelled to repeat the mistakes of the original engraver.
That said, if I absolutely was required to reproduce the given example, I'd just add the barline a a mid-measure barline and not worry that the playback wouldn't stop after the first note. Or, if someone challenged me to make the right playback happen anyhow, I'd try something like enter that chord as an eighth note but hide the flag and change the notehead, add the dot as a symbol, probably do various other adjustments. But the only motivation would to prove it can be done :-)
In reply to I would also suggest a… by Marc Sabatella
I'm going to resurrect this old discussion just to point out that, in jazz lead sheets, big band scores, etc., it is very common to put a Fine on the final note in a second ending prior to the pickups, and in similar situations where part of a measure is to be skipped after the D.C. or D.S. I recognize that this is not normal engraving practice for...erm...'legit' scores, and that a coda or dotted line could be used for this -- but it's something we see a lot in the trenches, and it's quite clear to the performers. I don't see a strong argument for not supporting this in some way given that it's a common practice, albeit arguably an improper one.
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In reply to I'm going to resurrect this… by spinality
It is possible, just add the Fine as plain text. if you also need it to playback, then instead, split the measure at that point, hide the barline, and add the FIne normally.
In reply to I'm going to resurrect this… by spinality
As mentioned; all you need to do is split the measure and mark the barline invisible and this works perfectly fine already.
See attached example, no settings were changed from their defaults except for removing the first system indentation, applying the system breaks and flipping the jump instructions to below the staff.
In reply to As mentioned; all you need… by jeetee
Sorry, yes I understood that this was possible. I just was pointing out that in some communities it's pretty common, so it might be nice to include it in documentation etc.