Instruments transposed to the wrong key
In my musescore I am working on a song that has Concert pitch, Bb, and Eb instruments. I have the key set to Bb concert pitch which should be C for the Bb instruments and G for the Eb instruments, however, I find that the program transposes the instruments to the wrong key, E for the Bb instruments and B for the Eb instruments.
Is this just something I can fix myself or is it a bug in the programming?
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Most probably an error on your side, please share the score so we can check
In reply to Most probably an error on… by Jojo-Schmitz
Here is the score
The_Greatest_Showman_Compilaton.mscz
The problem starts at bar 317, Page 73
In reply to Here is the score [inline… by Saxymuso
What it looks like is that you accidentally pressed ctrl while you applied the new key signature to the flute. What this does is apply a local key signature to that instrument only. Apply it again without pressing ctrl and you get proper transpositions. I suggest the you put a system break in m316 to a bug that will display the wrong key signature in some instruments when the pages are recalculated.
@Marc, test it without the page break and see the clarinet still has the key of E assigned to it.
In reply to What it looks like is that… by mike320
Another possibility is that you used Tools / Transpose with only the flute staff selected, and asked it to transpose key signatures too.
@mike320, I'm not understand what you mean about a break. I don't see a problem in the clarinet on either version of the score, and none of the things I tried involving breaks exposed one. Can you be more specific?
In reply to Another possibility is that… by Marc Sabatella
Strange. When I did dragged the 2 flats to the system in testing, I kept getting the key of E on the first measure of m319 for the clarinet which is now the first measure in the system on page 73. I saved it and uploaded my correct results for the OP. Since I was having problems, I didn't want him to have to deal with it. I did it several times so I would see exactly what was happening, mostly to make sure I wasn't missing something.
Now, I redownloaded the score from the same link and it works as expected. I didn't restart MuseScore in the meantime so that didn't affect it, so it's one of those bugs that will be quite difficult to track down.
In reply to Strange. When I did dragged… by mike320
@mike320... you wrote:
I kept getting the key of E on the first measure of m319 for the clarinet which is now the first measure in the system on page 73.
I had a similar outcome....
The clarinet and the Bb trumpet showed the key of E on the first measure of the system on page 73. For me, it was at measure 318.
This is what I saw:
You advised the OP:
I suggest the you put a system break in m316 to a bug that will display the wrong key signature in some instruments when the pages are recalculated.
A system break works, so does a page break
For me, placing a page break at measure 316 moved measure 317 to the following page and the E key signature vanished:
P.S.
I took those screenshots with the intention of making a step-by-step report, but I cannot reproduce the glitch 100℅. I'll keep at it.
In reply to @mike320... you wrote: I… by Jm6stringer
You see what I mean about the bug being difficult to track down. BTW, I only looked at the clarinet. I would be surprised if it wasn't like that on the trumpet also. Once I saw one anomaly I set out to reproduce it, which I did a few times in my first session but cannot reproduce now.
In reply to What it looks like is that… by mike320
Okay, Thanks
My best guess you somehow accidentally set the key to D instead of the Bb - perhaps as the result of using Tools / Transpose. What shows as the key if you tun on Concert Pitch? If that lead you to a solution, then as mentioned, we would need you to attach your score in order for us to do more than guess.
In reply to My best guess you somehow… by Marc Sabatella
My guess is that they put local key signatures into concert pitch display, then click the concert pitch button and the transposition was wrong.
@mike320
@Marc
When I looked at the OP's score, I encountered a strange behavior similar to what mike320 describes. I can reproduce it following these steps:
Go to measure 317 (page 73). There the flute changes key from D to Bb, but all the other instruments do not change, so it seems to be a "local" key signature. The OP only mentions the Bb and Eb instruments, but other (non-transposing) instruments like piano and violin do not honor the change to Bb. Only the flute shows the key change here:
In measure 317, click the Bb signature of the flute staff and then click the D major key signature in the palette to restore all signatures. Everything looks ok. (Note that measure 317 moves to page 72):
Click on the D major key signature in measure 318 (not 317) of the flute and then click on the Bb major key signature in the palette.
Measure 318 looks good across all instruments as shown here:
BUT...
We see that measure 317 has moved back to page 73. and was (perhaps accidentally?) excluded from the key change, so hit undo to put all back into the key of D major:
SEE THE IMAGE ABOVE which says: "All staves set back to D major - everything looks ok."
Now click on the D key signature in measure 317 of the flute staff (page 72 again) and then click the Bb key signature in the palette. This produces a bogus E key signature in measure 318 of the clarinet staff and in the Bb trumpet staff as shown here (all the other instruments are good):
Add a page break to measure 316, then measure 317 moves to page 73 and the 'bogus' key signature vanishes. Performing an undo at this point will not restore the 'bogus' key signature. Something weird happens at step 5 above and its undo.
MuseScore 3.5.0
Windows 10
In reply to @mike320 @Marc When I looked… by Jm6stringer
I'm sure that isn't the exact route I took to get there, but it does the same thing. Perhaps the origin of the bug can be traced from that and fixed.