"Fingering mode"
I find that the drag and drop method for adding fingering is very cumbersome. I have seen workarounds mentioned, e.g. adding fingering to several selected notes at once, but I do not think this is an ideal solution, it still relies on using the mouse.
I frequently work with different fingerings for the pieces i play on the piano, and I was hoping that it would be possible to have a keyboard-only "fingering mode" in musescore.
E.g.
select a note, add fingering by pressing 1-5, select next/adjacent notes by using arrow keys. Shift+arrow keys could change the position of the fingering symbol.
This way, it would be possible to work sequentially through the piece as you play it and explore and work out the different fingerings.
(In addition, if there could be added varitations of fingerings that could be shown/hidden it would be great. That could actually be a feature request of its own - to be able to have two copies of e.g. a bar, but only show one at a time as a variation - that could include slight differences in notes, accidentals etc as well as fingering)
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"Fingering mode", indeed, many users are calling for this feature (I support this!)
By the way, you can file such an "official" request for this feature (I do not think it has been done yet) in the Issue tracker: https://musescore.org/fr/project/issues/musescore
We can optimize, it is true, the entry of fingerings, but it remains attached to the use of the mouse, it is also true, and with, the central point in my opinion, the inability of navigating between the fingerings for editing etc.
There was a sort of try, for the 2.1 release, of this feature. But it is disappointing to me: https://musescore.org/fr/node/25288 (and also: https://musescore.org/en/node/188421), because the workflow is bad (it's not a fingering mode)
In the meantime, a possible temporary solution of circumvention, ie, the alternative using of a function already in place maybe will stir up your interest? Ie, by using the chord symbols input mode (Ctrl + K) and thus for benefit from all these advantages, in particular the navigation, so comfortable and fast.
Unless of course you are already using this mode for its primary function . But there is also the input mode for lyrics or figured bass that may possibly help.
So, once "fingerings"/numbers through the chord input mode, do: right-click -> Selection / Same similar elements same staff -> In Inspector, change the text style (so "Fingering" instead of "Chord symbol) via the drop-down list.
Certainly, fingerings will be strictly now lined up above the staff (but some appreciate, and look for this, there is plugins for that).
Again, simply a sort of workaround.
In reply to "Fingering mode", indeed, by cadiz1
Thanks a lot for that workaround, it would suit me just fine doing it this way! :-)
The only issue with the chord symbols mode is that is apparently is not possible to add soft breaks to add fingering for multiple notes/chords, I guess one need to select the belonging voicing before adding the fingering.
In reply to Thanks a lot for that by mustfp
"the chord symbols mode is that is apparently is not possible to add soft breaks to add fingering for multiple notes/chords"
![fig.jpg]( "fig.jpg")
![lyric.jpg]( "lyric.jpg")
In this case, the figured bass mode (Ctrl + G) allows this, or lyrics mode (Ctlr + L). And same way after that by changing the text style in Inspector.
Always a workaround...
In reply to "Fingering mode", indeed, by cadiz1
I'm writing a lot of piano music for my students. And I have an idea how to improve and speed up fingering.
What about using exactly the same way as You implement in Lyrics?
How could it work:
As for now is a bit tricky to drag fingering from pallette or use on every single note option Add > Fingering and then put 1-5... I've made a shortcut for this and it's now a little faster, but using a space to move to next note would be great time saver :)
I hope that can be implement in next release (or You can even put it into some nightly version, so I can check if it works good and as I expected.)
In reply to I'm writing a lot of piano… by Horpah
One can always hope for it, but unfortunately, I believe that there is nothing as such planned in future plans, as far as I presume.
EDIT: As a reminder, apart from the workarounds mentioned above in this thread, I remain convinced, to date, that the least costly method in terms of time spent is to go through Selection -> More (and a shortcut is available for that, right now, ie in the 2.2 dev. version)
So, right-click on a note -> select -> more -> same pitch -> double-click on a fingering. Sometimes it can be a good way to to gain some comfort and save a lot of time. But sometimes it's disappointing of course depending on the context (a note of the same pitch is not necessarily played by the same finger!)
And in this case you must do editing work, as simple text. It's not that complicated, but of course it depends on how important your score is.
In reply to One can always hope for it,… by cadiz1
I think I will have tried everything to try to improve the/my workflow of the fingerings input!
Drag and drop (in the past!), double click, copy-paste, duplicate, and other attempts with Select -> More, and other substitution commands (Ctrl + L, or / and K and G, and then change the text style in Inspector)
And for now, none really is the (absolute) winner, that's the problem! :(
A new one (method) today! Rather two, if your instrument admits the tablatures.
First the first, the second in a next comment :)
So, one of the pitfalls encountered, with the double-clicks method is that you have to do, all the time, the way back and forth between the Fingerings palette and the score. Quickly laborious and uncomfortable if your score has a certain size.
Maybe others had thought about it (but I have not seen it, or read it on the forums, from memory), but for my part, I just thought of it just right now! I'm literally confused to not had think about that sooner!
So, to keep the focus on the score: open the Master palette (to Fingerings), and so you remove this constant and tedious work for the eye (s) to leave one area, go to another, go back to the first, and so on..
With this display, it's better, but there are still and always these double clicks ... Double clicks X double clicks leads to do many double clicks :(
![fingering master.jpg]( "fingering master.jpg")
In fact, I was trying to ape the Guitar Pro process (which is not perfect either). But it has this advantage that a single click (and not two) is enough to add a fingering. And also that the palette by default, when selected, comes onto the score.
![doigté GP.jpg]( "doigté GP.jpg")
With MuseScore, the master palette works, but it takes up space on the score, so I ask myself:
Would it be feasable and not too expensive in implementation - I am aware of the constraints of the development team - to unlock the palette(s) (those of the Master palette, of course, not custom palettes), or at least one, or for now, that of the Fingerings?
Whatever the answer, I would be curious to know more about that.
In reply to I think I will have tried… by cadiz1
The second method (or other workaround) concerns only the instruments that admit the tablatures.
The main point is that it uses the ability to navigate into a Tab staff with the direction arrows, correlated with the use of a linked staff.
So, let's take the example of a guitar score (randomly!)
1) To the standard staff, add a linked Tab staff (which you could easily delete after completing the fingerings input)
2) Select the Tab staff, and the note input mode ("N")
3) Since fingerings do not appear in the Tablature (unless you have checked the new option from 2.1 version), you can easily navigate (without first selecting each note, happiness ...), and then double -click - this, we can not avoid it for the moment! - on the desired fingering.
This fingering will appear directly on the standard staff as expected.
And so, you always have the double-click to add fingering, but not the initial click to select the note.
![Tab navigate.jpg]( "Tab navigate.jpg")
And as said, the ability to navigate into a staff is the major and most comfortable fact of this method/workaround.
In reply to "Fingering mode", indeed, by cadiz1
Thank you for the work arounds; I know the shortcuts for inputting the same fingerings similtaneously and that is helpful but as you also indicate a true fingering-input mode would be best. I will check out the use of chord symbols as you've suggested.
Dingalls0786
In reply to "Fingering mode", indeed, by cadiz1
Thank you for the work arounds; I know the shortcuts for inputting the same fingerings similtaneously and that is helpful but as you also indicate a true fingering-input mode would be best. I will check out the use of chord symbols and via TAB as you've suggested.
Dingalls0786
In reply to Thank you for the work… by Dingalls0786
Another and last one: my preferred right now! See: https://musescore.org/en/node/252421#comment-787291
So, you save some clicks, and above all, crucial point, you can navigate into the score/notes for entering the fingerings. And icing on the cake, you can immediately adjust the fingering placement for very fine adjustments in a dense multi-voice context: which is almost always my use case.
But the double-click remains unsurpassable alas here, and it is unexpected to go through various elements (barlines, time/key signatures, and so on), but, given the benefit, it is a minor inconvenience, well, almost!
see #278175: Easy fingering input mode
I completely agree with you. There must be a way to input piano fingering numbers faster on Musescore. I hope an practical solution for this issue is implemented. It would make working on this application even more appreciated.
In reply to I completely agree with you… by alexjnoriega
This has been done since this thread. See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/fingering#add-multiple-fingering