3/4 Time Signature with Secondary 6/8 in parenthesis
Related to https://musescore.org/ja/node/311724
I couldn’t find real examples..
But I’ve encountered several times 3/4 time signature with secondary 6/8 in parenthesis, or other way around.
It would be nice if I can do this.
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Hi;
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If it's not very important that the parentheses cover both numbers, it is easy to write like this.
Nice to see you again :)
In reply to Hi; If it's not very… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Hi Ziya! How are you doing? :D
Right, I've found that way also.
Would be more beautiful if it can be covered by big parentheses like in the pic.
Thank you for the workaround anyway :)
In reply to Hi; If it's not very… by Ziya Mete Demircan
I'm a little late to this discussion, and I don't want to tilt the apple cart, but an additional issue with this concept is getting MS to respect the groupings and beam properties of the alternating measures. Is this request primarily a display issue, or is it tied to an actual musical function? Simply displaying the time signature as desired is one thing, and probably difficult enough as it is, but it does not address the musical/metrical function of the notation.
Traditionally, a split time signature such as this indicates a regular shift between the two metres in every other measure. (Occasionally though, it means that each measure "might" be one of the two, the answer to which is held in other contextual cues.) The difficulty as applies to MS is to have the program recognize and respect the beaming as appropriate to each implied metre.
Additionally, alternation between 3/4 and 6/8 is simpler than between 3/4 and 4/4. (or 5/4 for that matter) Is it even practical to expect MS to anticipate the correct number of beats in every other measure?
I apologize if this is outside the scope of this particular discussion, or if, indeed, it has already been addressed elsewhere, but it is something to be considered if split-metre notation is intended to be fully functioning in MS at some point.
In reply to I'm a little late to this… by toffle
I believe that is a very valid point. At some time a definition capability for two or maybe 3 times signatures listed like this would be a very nice addition to the capabilities. Another way to make this easier would be to allow beam settings to be copied if the allow copying of system items were implemented as requested in #165746: Request option to copy system elements with copy/paste (ALL ELEMENTS). It gets rather tedious setting the beaming in every measure and that would make it better.
In reply to I believe that is a very… by mike320
This problem would be compounded if MS had any sense of "groove" as applies to different metres. Fortunately, it does not.
(and that is unfortunate)
See also #277279: Lack of Capabilities in the Custom Time Signature Creator
In reply to See also #277279: Lack of… by Jojo-Schmitz
Wow! it's in work in progress. looks beautiful.
Hope it will be merged in 3.6..!
In reply to Wow! it's in work in… by kazuma yamamoto
It still needs work on the UI to get merged into 3.6 and tantacrul told me he didn't plan on doing that until 4.1. I was disappointed.
In reply to It still needs work on the… by mike320
That'd be a pity. The PR is against 3.x too
In reply to That'd be a pity. The PR is… by Jojo-Schmitz
Emilio is a bit burned out from all of the code he wrote in a short amount of time. I don't know if someone could take up the torch and improve the UI that would work to fill the gap until 4.1 that would satisfy the decision makers.
In reply to Emilio is a bit burned out… by mike320
Oh, it's a pity. but I can imagine it's a lot of work.
Thank you for notifying me the current situation mike! :)
In reply to Oh, it's a pity. but I can… by kazuma yamamoto
Update. Emilio asked today what he can do to get this included into 3.6 and there were some ideas floated around telegram. Tantacrul is out of town this week so we'll have to see what happens.
In reply to Update. Emilio asked today… by mike320
WOW! Good news :D
I checked you guys chat on Telegram too!
Hope it will be happened in v3.6.
Thank you for letting me know mike!
I've brought up this issue several times: https://musescore.org/en/node/305902 for an amusing take grilling me on why I would ever want to do such a thing.
In its current version, the best one can do is to create the second time-signature by dragging numeral and parenthases glyphs from the symbols palette--but a bit of advice: make sure they match the music font you are currently using, they don't match by default.
So then are there plans to make this simpler in future versions?
In reply to I've brought up this issue… by wfazekas1
There is a plan. Tantacrul said he currently has it planned for version 4.1. I hope that if someone does sufficient work to fill the gap, the feature will be included before then and made better in 4.1.
In reply to There is a plan. Tantacrul… by mike320
Yey! Also if you have a time signature like 1/4 (notice that the width of 1 is smaller than 4) and you want to add something like (2/4) next to it then if there isn't 2 parenthesis to cover the whole signature (1 each side instead of 2 each side), then it will look bad. And still it's kind of anorthodox to do it the way it is shown in the first comment. Talking about something like that:
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In reply to Yey! Also if you have a time… by [DELETED] 32872726
We might be surprised in 3.6 and have this capability but no guarantee at this point.
In reply to We might be surprised in 3.6… by mike320
Although a bit clumsy to implement, it’s still possible to achieve in the current version of musescore, please see attached measures 32 and 44-
https://musescore.com/martystrasinger/onegin-s-aria
In reply to Although a bit clumsy to… by marty strasinger
I've done things like that using symbols and tuplets. It looks like we'll have to wait for at least 4.0 or 4.1 to get better time signature capabilities.
In reply to Although a bit clumsy to… by marty strasinger
how did you do that ?