Refrain and 3 unique verses
I have a score that starts with a refrain, and has 3 unique verses. It finishes with the refrain. The notes are not the same from verse to verse. My score looks like
Refrain
Verse 1
Verse 2
Verse 3
I have figured out how to get to to play, using jumps, Refrain, Verse 1, Refrain, Verse 2, Refrain, Verse 3.
Is there a way to play the refrain only after Verse 3, without placing the refrain again at the end of the score? With a D.S., the app plays the refrain, but then continues on with Verse 1 instead of stopping. I tried putting a Fine in there, and the End bar mark at the end of the refrain. I hoped without filling in the “Continue at” field, it would stop. It doesn’t.
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To make MuseScore stop at a Fine you have to tell it to do so. Therefore use a DS al Fine rather than a plain DS.
In reply to To make MuseScore stop at a… by SteveBlower
Thanks for the reply. I did do it that way. The jump is set to segno. Play until: is set to fine. Continue at: is blank. It plays beyond fine, which makes it play the first verse again.
In reply to Thanks for the reply. I did… by nozarjeff
Please post your score so we can see what needs to be done.
In reply to Please post your score so we… by bobjp
Thanks. It's not my score, so I deleted all of the notes. The jumps and markers (I'm really not a music guy, I'm just trying to help myself sing better with the church choir) should still be there.
In reply to Thanks. by nozarjeff
See if this works for you:
test_2.mscz
In reply to See if this works for you: … by Jm6stringer
That does work, thanks. I'm trying to understand why. You have a volta on each verse. Even if I take out the Play until fine at the end, it still stops at the end of the refrain without playing verse 1 again. Why is that?
In reply to That does work, thanks. I'm… by nozarjeff
Actually, I mistakenly added an unnecessary (redundant) repeat barline at the end of verse 3. That repeat barline should get deleted, so that the D.C. al Fine is used (and now necessary) to direct playback to the refrain.
It's better to use the D.C. al Fine as the 'Fine' clearly shows where the end occurs.
However...
If the D.C. al Fine is removed, as you did, then the repeat barline at the end of verse 3 is what directs playback to the refrain. Verse 1 is not played again because volta 1 has already been played. Same for voltas 2 & 3, which have already been played. Therefore, nothing remains to be played after the final refrain.
In reply to Thanks. by nozarjeff
Why those section breaks? A plain system break is sufficient there.
In reply to Why those section breaks? A… by Jojo-Schmitz
That’s what I tried first. When I tried the system break, the measures were still tied together when viewing the score on my iPad. I was temporarily stumped by the pause between verses. There is a default 3 second delay between sections.
In reply to That’s what I tried first… by nozarjeff
It is actually the section breaks that throws off that final D.S. al Fine
The attached just replaces them with system breaks
In reply to It is actually the section… by Jojo-Schmitz
I thought I was running into the problem even before I added the section breaks. Maybe not, thanks.
Is this file and amendment to you file you posted a few minutes prior?
In reply to I thought I was running into… by nozarjeff
Both my attachments are different
In reply to It is actually the section… by Jojo-Schmitz
In your file "test_0 (2).mscz", did you forget the system breaks, or did you attach the wrong file?
In reply to In your file "test_0 (2)… by Jm6stringer
Oops. wrong file indeed
In reply to In your file "test_0 (2)… by Jm6stringer
This should be it
In reply to That’s what I tried first… by nozarjeff
That's because the iPad app reflows the score layout to make it fit on screen.
If you really want the break there, but not abuse the section break, you could insert a vertical frame instead. The iPad app should honor that as well.
In reply to That's because the iPad app… by jeetee
Thanks for the tip. I think it’s weird that the iPad app would rejoin intentionally broken measures for formatting purposes. I don’t want the verses to be run on.
In reply to Thanks for the tip. I think… by nozarjeff
The mobile app reflows rather than rescales a score to accommodate different screen formats (and landscape vs portrait etc...). They don't differentiate between a lexical system break (because end of verse or good page turn location) and a logical one (because it distributes better visually on the printed page format).
I wish they would include an "as formatted"/scaled view option; but that is entirely up to them and should be discussed over on that site.
In reply to The mobile app reflows… by jeetee
The iPad formatting is my secondary concern. Someone asked why I put a section break in the score. That’s why I mentioned it.
A D.C. al Fine at the end of verse 3 and a Fine at the end of the refrain should do it
In reply to A D.C. al Fine aft the end… by Jojo-Schmitz
That’s what I tried initially. It played the refrain after playing verse 3 but then just kept going.
In reply to That’s what I tried… by nozarjeff
Try this, gets rid of the Segno and the ToCoda, and replaces the section breaks with system breaks. Also deletes a bunch empty measures to show the effect quicker
In reply to Try this by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks. I’m headed off to work now, so I’ll take a look at it later.
Thank you all for your help. It works as expected now. I think the key was to use the system break instead of the section break.
In reply to Thank you all for your help… by nozarjeff
Yes. And that is because jumps are relative to their section.