Fermata or caesura?
Hello,
I'm trying to put a pause in the middle of a piece of music. I have entered a fermata over a rest, with no effect. I looked for a way to enter a caesura, but found none.
Option 1: Please give the user caesura capability.
or
Option 2: Please allow the user to set duration for a fermata.
or
Option 3: Tell me it's already been done, and I overlooked it.
Thank you!
Ted Shoemaker
Windows 8.1 (64-bit)
most recent nightly build: MuseScoreNightly-2015-02-22-1811-fa50560.7z
Comments
I choose Option 3. The caesura can be found under the "Breaths & Pauses" palette on the left (if you don't see that palette, switch from "Basic" to "Advanced" at the bottom.) Glad I could help! ;-)
As of musescore 2.0.1, the caesura has no effect on playback. Therefore this is still a valid request.
In reply to As of musescore 2.0.1, the by sophistoche
It should if the score is created with 2.0 or later. Might not for improted scores. If you are having problems with a score created from scratch in 2.0.1, please psot the score you are having problems with and steps to reproduce the problem.
In reply to It should if the score is by Marc Sabatella
Ahh, bad me for not testing further. Yes this score was created in an ancient version. I will see if I can reimport it or simply remove the caesura and re-add.
Unfortunately while both the fermata and the caesura play, the latter has no effect in MIDI exports. I suppose a messy way around this would be to shorten the note to put in a rest, and do a tempo change on the rest and the note after it.
In reply to Unfortunately while both the by ukuser
Technically a fermuta doesn't play. It has a "time duration" modifier which you can change to drag out the note for as long as you want.
In reply to Technically a fermuta doesn't by LuuBluum
What I mean by "play" is that when you are playing in MuseScore, the playback responds, by holding the note/rest for a fermata (if you have stretched the time duration as you say) or inserting a pause for a caesura. My point is that when you export to MIDI, the hold for the fermata is honoured, whereas the pause for the caesura is ignored.
In reply to What I mean by "play" is that by ukuser
the pause for caesure is ignored on MuseScore playback too, nit just MIDI. See #16213: Playback of caesura produces no discernible pause and #74921: Export midi file does not observe any pauses (e.g. Caesura & Section Break)
In reply to the pause for caesure is by Jojo-Schmitz
No it isn't - it works fine on my version (2.something Linux - don't have the machine to hand at the moment). The pause it produces is more than discernible - if anything it's rather self-indulgent!
That bug report appears to be for MuseScore version 1.
In reply to No it isn't - it works fine by ukuser
The bug or problem with caesuras may have changed between 1.x and 2.0, but both have a problem. A score created afresh with 2.0 dosn't pause at all at a breath or caesura, a score imported from an earlier version might, and there is nothing that could be done by a 'mere mortal' user to change this, short of editing ther uncompressed mscz file with a plain text editor to alter/add/delete the length of these pauses, the UI for this is simply missing.
Edit: wrong, caesuras do pause, but breaths don't. Still neihter can be influenced via the UI
In reply to The bug or problem with by Jojo-Schmitz
With my instance of Musecore 2, I can assure you that a caesura causes a pause in playback (though not MIDI export) with a score created with that software. If I were at the machine I could attach a piece of audio to demonstrate this. It looks like there is a bug that doesn't affect everyone - perhaps it's score-dependent? There is no UI parameter to adjust the caesura unfortunately - the pause length is fixed and as I say, to my taste rather long. It appears to be the same for both varieties of caesura.
Breath has no effect AFAICR. As suggested elsewhere, perhaps it could shorten the previous note but it should not disrupt the tempo (ie it should fill up the space with a rest). Slurs could also be used to control note length.
It might also be worth the fermata by default doing something (the default time stretch should be greater than 1 or 0 or whatever it is). I think too many people will assume that it's just a passive piece of notation otherwise and won't realise that it can actually be made to do what it says.
In reply to With my instance of Musecore by ukuser
See me edited response earlier...
In reply to See me edited response by Jojo-Schmitz
Noted, thanks. Too late to edit mine. I agree it would be nice to be able to adjust the caesura and as it can be done with the fermata I guess it shouldn't be too hard - just waiting for a round tuit I imagine. (But don't make the default value "do nothing"!)
Alot of Bach Works have the Fine on the Fermenta so maybe that could be a new update.