splitting notations

• Oct 26, 2018 - 17:39

Can anyone help,please?
I'm new to this technology and can't solve the following in a single piano line: I would be grateful for assistance.
It's music without a time signature (background mediaeval). The first bar consists of a crotchet rest followed by a triplet (3 quavers) followed by a quaver, a crotchet and a quaver.

The problem is that the programme always joins the quaver (following the triplet) to the triplet. The result is written as four quavers joined together, which doesn't really make sense. Can anyone help?

I've tried to send an example of the problem below.

With many thanks.


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What version of MuseScore are you using? I could imagine one from four or more years ago doing that, but certainly anything recent does not. If you are seeing this using any version of MuseScore 2, I think you might have entered something incorrectly, or changed some beam settings, because that is not the default. If you attach your actual score we can understand and assist better.

EDIT: ah, I see you mention no time signature. Not sure how you are achieving that (there are several methods), but probably it is whatever you did that is triggering this. Definitely, if you attach your score, we should be able to help.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thank you Marc. I'll need some time to complete the score. But in the meantime, if you could direct me to some of the methods used to achieve a piece with no time signature, it would be a great help. In strict metre terms, the piece corresponds to alternate bars of 5/4 and 3/4. This pattern is repeated eight times before a regular section of 4/4 begins. I don't particularly want to insert a time signature for every other bar.

Thank you in advance.

In reply to by vegetatis

Well, there are different ways of doing things depending on what is going on with the music and how you think it would best be conveyed. From what you describe, I'd say the music is not meterless, but has a very clear meter of alternating 5 and 3, and so you should be aiming to actually convey that to the musicians reading reading, not obscure this fact. So the goal to me is not to create meterless music, but music that clearly denotes 5+3/4.

First, I assume you've ruled out 4/4 for some reason, but as a musician reading this, I'd question that too - unless there are tuplets that make this impossible, I'd likely rather just deal with rhythms that cross the barline than with changing meters. Or, since it only happens eight times and then the meter changes again, there's a good chance I'd want to see the alternating time signatures. But I'd have to see the music to really understand and weigh in on that. So for now, let's take it at face value you want to clearly convey 5+3/4.

A couple of different ways to do that, probably the most straightforward is to create the time signature as 8/4 but also set it to read 5+3/4 in the time signature properties, then click the note on beat 6 and do Edit / Measure / Split Measure Before Selected Note. Depending on how the music lays out and how you want the beaming to work, this might work right off the bat. Or you could not do the split but instead insert barlines "manually" in front of beat six. Another option is to notate it in 3/4 (again using Time Signature Properties to make it display as 5+3) and then use Measure Properties to add two beats to the actual duration of the appropriate measures. Probably other ways that could be used as well. It all depends on the specifics of the music and desired results. So attaching your score would definitely help us understand and assist better.

In reply to by vegetatis

An interesting case, to be sure. Is this an original of yours? If so, then of course it is your decision howto best notate it. I'd just suggest you think first about what will be clearest for the folks reading it, and then worry about how to notate it in MuseScore. Me, I like time signatures, and don't mind if they change, so I would probably prefer it as is to any of the other options discussed. If it went into 4/4 and stayed there after the first 16 bars then maybe I'd say just do 4/4 the whole way, but as it is, I think you have it right.

One change you definitely should make, though - it appears you have skipped voice 1 in the bottom staff. Don'
t. You have all these invisible rests that shouldn't be there. Each staff should start with voice 1, and then 2, voices 3 & 4 are only for the rare cases where you need more than two voices per staff. To fix this in the portion you've already entered, select the contents of that staff and use Edit / Voices.

In reply to by vegetatis

Well, removing a time signature simply reverts to whatever the previous time signature was, just as it would with pencil and paper. Which is to say if the piece starts out in 5/4 and changes to 3/4 in bar 2, and you remove the 3/4 in bar 2, bar 2 is now in 5/4 since the original time signature remains in effect. The music will be rewritten accordingly. If the goal is to simply not show the 3/4 but still keep the bar in 3/4, then instead of changing the time signature directly, you can use Measure Properties to change the "actual" duration of a measure.

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