Creating part from voice 2 does not respect key changes
I have a vocal score that has a soprano divisi in the last several measures, and I tried using the "Parts" feature to extract a "soprano 2" score. The score has several key changes before the soprano staff is split into "voice 1" and "voice 2". When I create a new "soprano 2" part with only voice 2 selected from soprano staff, the key-changes throughout the score are not created in the soprano staff in the new part, the entire staff remains in the original key of the score.
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(I worked around the issue by recreating the soprano 2 part from the combined soprano staff, and manually deleting the voice 1 notes from the divided measures)
Can you attach a score with the problem and explain what you did to find the bug? It sounds like it needs fixed.
In reply to Can you attach a score with… by mike320
Unfortunately I mangled that score with a series of editing mishaps and haven't had a chance to fix it yet, but I'll see if I can create a reproducible case later when I'm off work.
Separately, can anyone suggest the best way to extract e.g. a "full" soprano 2 part from a score that has only occasional soprano divisi measures (i.e. the extracted part should use voice 2 from measures that have a voice 2, but should use voice 1 from measures that only have one voice)
In reply to Unfortunately I mangled that… by benjamincaryl1
Extract both, make those you don't want invisible and silent
In reply to Extract both, make those you… by Jojo-Schmitz
Not sure I understand, why invisible and silent rather than just deleting the voice I don't want in the individual part? The latter is what I ended up doing, but I was wondering if there was an automated way to accomplish this when creating the part from the combined staff, rather than manually editing measures in the extracted parts.
In reply to Not sure I understand, why… by benjamincaryl1
You should be able to select voice 2 for the soprano 2 part and all measures without a voice 2 would have rests in them. If this doesn't happen, then that's a bug that needs fixed.
In reply to You should be able to select… by mike320
That's what it does, but I want all measures without a voice 2 to to use voice 1 (i.e. soprano 2's sing the soprano 1 part in measures without a divisi)
In reply to That's what it does, but I… by benjamincaryl1
It doesn't currently respect a2 sections (both voices sing the same notes). I thought there was a suggestion to add the capability but I'm not finding it at the moment.
In reply to It doesn't currently respect… by mike320
I see... this sounds like exactly what I would want. Are you referring to item [#283564]?
(not sure the format for auto-linking, I mean https://musescore.org/en/node/283564)
... ideally I would like this to be the (optional?) default, i.e. a measure should be considered "a2/tutti" unless I explicitly change it or add an add an additional voice to that measure. I believe this is the normal way to read a choral staff with occasional divisi measures?
In reply to I see... this sounds like… by benjamincaryl1
You have not linked to the issue tracker but may be the post I'm thinking of. If no one comes up with an entry in the issue tracker in the next few hours, then one of us should add it there as an official suggestion that the programmers will be able to keep track of.
In reply to I see... this sounds like… by benjamincaryl1
(that autolinking works oinly for issues, not for forum topics)
In reply to I see... this sounds like… by benjamincaryl1
In symphonic pieces, you must explicitly tell that a2 is expected. This is because instruments like the violin may play either divisi or a2 in sections with more than one note on a beat. It is expected that any ambiguous changes are explicitly designate. There are a number of situations where ambiguity may arise. Of course, what you expect is the same thing that happens on instruments like the flute and trumpet that can only play one note at a time.
BTW, your [#283564] is the correct auto link for the issue tracker only.
In reply to In symphonic pieces, you… by mike320
Gotcha, thanks. Whatever the implementation, when editing vocal scores I would prefer to NOT have to explicitly flag every tutti measure. (Perhaps it could be a property of the Staff, and get set automatically when adding a new staff for specific instruments where that behaviour is the norm?)
(fwiw I did a brief search in the issue tracker and could not find any similar suggestion there)
In reply to Gotcha, thanks. Whatever… by benjamincaryl1
I'm imagining something more like the way jumps (e.g. DC al coda) works with the option to allow for a3 & a4 for symphonic scores where 4 horns share a staff. Put a2 where it starts then div. where it ends and make it invisible if you don't want to see the div. This would also allow you to change the text if you have a score in German for example where you have "zu 2" and "get". The 4 horns is not the most common situation, but does need to be covered.
In reply to I'm imagining something more… by mike320
@mike320: perhaps, but to me it seems needlessly onerous to the user to have to manually add invisible directives to a vocal score to make musescore interpret it the same way that a human does by default.
In reply to It doesn't currently respect… by mike320
There's https://musescore.org/en/project/copyfill-a2div-style-score for MuseScore2, a meager inbetween crutch until MuseScore can handle this.
Haven't looked at porting it to MS3 yet (will start porting with 3.0.5)
In reply to There's https://musescore… by jeetee
@jeetee: that's a good illustration of what I'm talking about; for vocal scores the final "result" is what I want 100% of the time when extracting voice 2.
In reply to Can you attach a score with… by mike320
Here's a small example score I created to illustrate the key change problem when extracting voice 2. Note that the extracted "Sop2" part has the correct notes, just displayed in the wrong key.
Seems similar to #282512: Time signatures omitted in voice 2 parts when using voice-to-part feature, key instead of time signature. probably the same basic fix (whatever that is) needs to be applied for both.
In reply to Seems similar to #282512:… by Marc Sabatella
Would you recommend I add an issue tracker item for this one? What severity do you think?
In reply to Would you recommend I add an… by benjamincaryl1
I do recommend it, call it either Major or Critical, in the end it doesn't matter that much. Add a link to the other issue. Right now, between these two bugs and a couple of other limitations, the feature is unfortunately not very useful, collectively they are definitely critical in my mind.
In reply to I do recommend it, call it… by Marc Sabatella
#285855: Creating part from voice 2 does not respect key changes