Cannot get clef changes to appear in their proper places
Placing clef changes used to be intuitive and versatile. If I dragged a clef onto the first note of the measure, it would appear to the left of the note, but to the right of a barline. If I dragged it so that the whole measure was highlighted, it would appear before the measure. This was very handy for instruments with frequent clef changes — I could control where the clef appeared depending on whether it should appear before a repeat (before a repeat indicating that the start of the repeat is in the same clef), or at the start of the measure following. Now a clef change will only occur before the barline — with bizarre-looking results if it appears between repeats (see the image). Is there a new way of doing this? I can't seem to find any documentation or recent help topics.
Thanks.
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This is still how it works - adding a clef to the first note of a measure will still make it appear after the barline and before the note. The only exception is the case you show, where the rules of music notation do call for the clef change to appear before the start repeat. Older versions of MsueScore didn't follow that rule, but this error has been fixed.
In reply to This is still how it works -… by Marc Sabatella
Thank you for responding. I would like to know what source mandates this. I've never seen clef changes displayed in this way. Logically it makes sense, but with music that requires clef changes every few measures, and repeats every 8 bars, it really looks awkward. I would prefer having the flexibility to choose this option rather than being forced to use it.
In reply to Thank you for responding. I… by Soolip
When in doubt, check Elaine Gould's "Behind Bars"
In reply to Thank you for responding. I… by Soolip
I agree with you, I've never seen it before and don't care at all what Gould has to say about it. It would be nice if there were an easy way to fix it.
In reply to Thank you for responding. I… by Soolip
Gould is indeed the most cited reference, but I'd be extremely surprised if any reference said anything different, and curious to see what published music you have seen that violates this. As you say, standard just plain makes sense - the clef is not changing on each repeat. So I wouldn't deviate from standard notation without extremely good reason. But if you have do have some special need to do so, you can use the Inspector adjust position and/or leading space, or add a clef using the Symbols palette. Creating non-standard notation is always possible, it just rightly takes additional work.
In reply to Gould is indeed the most… by Marc Sabatella
Well, I'm writing for a non-standard instrument that changes clefs often, and often after, sometimes before repeats. When it appears after a staring repeat, it means the clef changes at the start of that section. When it appears before the starting repeat, it acts as a courtesy for the start of the repeat. This new way of handling repeats means that in the score there is a space for the clef change for ONE instrument in every part. I don't like it. AND, no operation should "rightly" be burdensome. It's difficult to believe anyone would say this. "Conform or repent" is what you are really saying here.
In reply to Well, I'm writing for a non… by Soolip
"Well, I'm writing for a non-standard instrument"
Out of curiosity, what is this instrument?
In reply to "Well, I'm writing for a non… by cadiz1
The viola d’amore. It has roughly the range of a violin + viola.
In reply to Well, I'm writing for a non… by Soolip
I'm not saying "repent", I'm saying the defaults for MuseScore are to produce standard notation and if you want non-standard notation, it will indeed take extra steps. I'm still not understanding what about these clef changes necessitates using non-standard notation for them, but again, if you prefer that for whatever reason, you can achieve that manually. And yes, of course it is "right" that the default is standard notation. You wouldn't like it if, say. treble clefs displayed upside down by default, and you needed to take explicit action to flip them to their standard appearance. Producing standard notation by default is the right thing to do.
That said, I'm certainly not opposed to there being other ways of overriding this behavior - a more direct way way to force clefs to appear after start repeats. Feel free to submit a formal Suggestion to the issue tracker requesting this.
In reply to I'm not saying "repent", I'm… by Marc Sabatella
I've tried and tried. There is no work around for this. I'll submit a request in this issue tracker.
In reply to I've tried and tried. There… by Soolip
Done in #290326: Clef changes at repeats