Cautionary key/time signature before repeat barline if start repeat is in different key/time
I've seen in some scores a courtesy key/time signature before a repeat, if the song is in a different key/time after the jump. These signature are sometimes in parentheses because they doesn't even apply to the following measure, which could have yet another key/time change, resulting in a potential measure or system ending with a key signature in parentheses, a time signature in parentheses, an end-repeat barline, another key signature, and another time signature.
It's a rather obscure feature, and I know jumps are complex, so it's only a feature request. I'm not even sure how or whether it would be notated for segno or coda systems. However, unlike feature requests for automation/alignment, currently there is no way to even include this notation if you wanted it.
While automatic generation is possible, it would take a lot of work, and not everyone would want it. Perhaps we could make dropping a key/time signature onto a repeat barline a permitted operation to create this notation?
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See https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/2253
Seems to be that way in 3.2.3 (possible earlier), see #291899: Mid-staff key signature added before repeat barline (rather than after) which now demands the opposite.
The PR would need a rebase, but may not be needed anymore at all
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@Jojo-Schmitz How does this work? I'm on 3.2.3.7635 and it doesn't work automatically for me (see attachment).
In reply to @Jojo-Schmitz How does this… by jods
Seems an entirely different issue (and as far as I can not an issue really), you have the key sig change in the middle of the repeated section
In reply to Seems an entirely different… by Jojo-Schmitz
Seems to me it's the original description here?
"Cautionary key/time signature before repeat barline if start repeat is in different key/time"
How would the target bar be in a different key signature if there was no key change in the middle of the repeat section??
Also see initial implementation by OP in 2015, which has screenshots of exactly this:
https://musescore.org/en/node/58716
Your image shows a C-Major keysig change in measure 8, the start repeat being in measure 3
If you thing there is an issue, please ipoen a new onw (but better start with a forum post) and attach a sample score, descibe what you see and what you expect.
In reply to Your image shows a C-Major… by Jojo-Schmitz
The issue is exactly as described here (and there: https://musescore.org/en/node/58716 please go have a look)
When a repeat sends you to a different key, it should have a courtesy key before the end repeat barline. This is word for word the first sentence of this topic?
My image shows that before the repeat we're in C major and at the beginning of the repeat we're in A major.
What I expect is a courtesy key sig. of A before the end repeat barline.
In fact, what I expect is exactly the image in Example 2 in that implementation from the original poster of this thread: https://musescore.org/en/node/58716
(albeit in a different key, and in a perfect world with brackets).
I'm not really sure it's a regression; I'm marking it as such because this was marked fixed but it doesn't work for me in 3.4.2. In the attached file, measure 82 should have a courtesy three-flats key signature right before the repeat sign, and it doesn't. I suspect the reason for the missing courtesy key signature might be that MuseScore doesn't know correctly where the repeat is repeating back to, but I'm not sure of this.
In any event, there should be full manual control over the presence of courtesy key signature before or after any bar line, and that would reduce the severity of the problem in cases where currently we might need to rely on an impractical or unimplemented level of intelligence on the part of the software.
Open a new issue then rather than resurrecting one that is a) probably unrelated and b) closed since a more than year
OK, I tried to do it correctly but I'm not sure I got it right: https://musescore.org/en/node/309627
Does that open the new issue like you requested? I don't understand the relationship between the issue tracker and the forums. Thanks for the help.
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